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Macs are only slightly more expensive than PCs when PCs are configured to comparable Mac standards and as far as I'm concerned, they are worth the extra cost. |
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Re: Windows compatibility problems - Since Windows 95, Vista is the only version I'm aware of that crapped on old applications. I didn't buy into that one and was unaffected.
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I've used the same Mac (an 11 year old G4) with 6 different Mac OS versions and roughly 15 different versions of ProTools over the years. They all worked just fine, provided I matched them appropriately, i.e., waited until Digidesign published compatibility specs. |
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OTOH my first software based system (way back 1999 maybe??) was one of Gateway's first push into the market chasing Dell, or at least that's how I remember it. I'm positive that the Gateway with SCSI hard drives was well into the $2500.00 dollar range. That and Cubase at the time was about $550.00. The REAL kicker was I choose Lexicons first attempt at sound cards as my interface. I'm thinking that too was close to $500.00. $3500.00 in 1999 money was a burdensome investment. That system was utterly and completely obsolete within the year and in truth never did work very well. If of course the argument is someone purchased an old "Mix System" for 20K and now 15 years later discovers the system has devalued and further did not take advantage of any of Digi's EXTREMELY liberal upgrade paths then the burden must fall squarely on his shoulders. AsI said earlier those are still viable recording solutions that at $250.00 represent the steal of the century. They may not be upgradable but still very decent 48 track recording systems. If the person of whom you speak dumped 20K into a PT LE system then the numbers are horrendously skewed from the get go. In the end the market as it sits is fairly square. There are fabulous PC based recording systems that are far better than most have engineering skills. Sonar, Cubase, Nuendo, Cool Edit, Vegas....they're all beyond fabulous. That in fact is well...a fact. That said I can guarantee you IF a PC based hardware/software solution was available that out performed the HD/Mac based systems of the last ten years I'd of LONG been all over it. I'm a big supporter of using whatever computer or software works best for the user but the old "PT and Mac based systems are rip-offs" argument is old and ill informed. |
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So far, so good
Well, I have loaded the drivers for the POD XT and now can play through the GB software. I am learning to add drum, bass, and rhythm tracks as well. I need to work a little further on editing, etc., but am please with my progress. I am looking for a good firewire or USB interface for vocals, but I have a lot of learning curve to climb before that becomes a priority.
I found a nifty little feature that allows me to play along with my Itunes songs, too. I think the next step for me will be to spend an afternoon working on a song from soup to nuts. It may sound like a cliche, but it really does seem like the only limits are that of my imagination (and talent). |
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Tell you what have that person PM me. I'm certain I can get him $ 250 for it. Heck For that price depending on the config., I might be interested. Kev
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After a bit of research and opinion sorting, I have settled on an M Audio Firewire Solo as my interface. I received it yesterday and plugged it in as a test. After downloading the drivers, it seems to meet my expectations: low latency, and clean signal, and nice form factor. Tomorrow i will really put the entire system through its paces. Here is the signal path: Guitar/Vocal mic -> TC Helicon harmonizer -> DTAR Mama Bear (acoustic) or POD XT (electric) -> M Audio Firewire Solo interface -> Macbook Pro/Garage Band -> mini studio monitors.
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Success!
After taking a couple of GB tutorials, I was able to lay down a drum track, percussion, bass, and organ to a simple I/IV/V loop, and then a few takes on a supporting rhythm and lead guitar sound. I am very pleased with the quality of the output...just about what I would have hoped for considering what I have in the system $ wise. I am a very tactile learner, so I need to actually do it before the lessons are learned, and that adds to the time needed to learn the software, but I am pretty happy with what I have aid down.
I couple of key learnings: I think I have an old revision of GarageBand (3.0.5) in that there are some arranging functions that don't seem available to me (assigning/naming regions, etc.) I am having a tough time in changing the key of the bass lines and the keyboards. Fore example, I can lay down and repeat the 12 bar blues, but can't easily change the key when the song changes to the IV or V chord. I learned to transpose the chords, but this is different than changing it to accommodate a I/IV/V. I am sure there is a simple way yo do it...perhaps I need to study the GB forums more. The next step for me is arranging and editing. I can see why sound men earn their pay...it took ~4 hours just to lay down 6 tracks of a 36 bar song, and most of that was getting to the point where I could lay down the guitar, I am sure the learning curve is steep, but am wondering, once I flatten it out if I will find GB limiting and should look at Logic. More as events allow. Bret |
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Take a look at Ardour (http://ardour.org/) a powerful open-source DAW for linux & mac. I wouldn't say it's free exactly but any contributions you choose to make are up to you.
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Just bought a new Imac
I picked up a new imac with Logic express pre loaded. Have been using garage band for a while and wanted to try out Logic to see if it would make difference for me.
I looked at buying a macbook pro and decided that the screen, bigger hard drive, and faster processor had more bang for the buck than the macbook pro. I used a regular macbook before started on the Imac i bought for the kids and found that the much bigger screen and greater connectivity made for a better recording experience. However, of course, ymmv. |
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Hey 7th...
...so what was your experience going from GB to Logic? What would you characterize as the upside of Logic over GB? Putting it plainly, is it worth $199? Or would you go another route?
I am going to add another increment of RAM as it seems I need it to play multiple tracks. My hardware seems to bog down with my 1 GB. Also, I am looking at additional loops to be able to add in to GB...any thoughts on where to find good cheap (read "free") GB compatible loops? |
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logic and gb
still working on it. much hight learning curve. Will report back
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Thanks, 7th
BTW, I took the MBP into the apple store and he determined I had a bad battery. They also resolved some potential conflicts with some settings.
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First recording with Logic Express
And with the new-to-me Santa Cruz OM with German Spruce Top, Rode NT-1a into TC Elektronic Konnekt 6 firewire interface.
http://members.soundclick.com/wertz2112 Called Output 1-2. Once i figured out how to turn on phantom power (in software), got to it. First Microphone recording, so need to work on mic position. Once I realized that when I create a track I can make it ready for recording (armed) it all came together easily. Next step is to figure out how to master/EQ. |
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Macs are cool!
Plus they come with loads of excellent software so you can pretty much record a song, edit a video for it, and post it on the website you designed yourself all without buying any extra software! I use Logic 9 express to record my stuff at the moment - I had a bit of training in it at college but most of it I've learnt just from messing around...
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