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I wouldn't mind hearing a song or instrumental demonstrating the practical use or need of these particular harmonics in actually playing music on the guitar...
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I PM'ed you.
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It's not useless, but - for the music I play (and want to play) - it's of negligible value. Certainly harmonics up to the 5th are useful, although rarely on the 1st string. Of course, skill at getting them on the 1st string should make it easier to get them on other strings. Quote:
I can do it myself (I've experimented with harmonics for decades), easily getting up the 9th or 10th harmonic on the low E, but my experience is that the relative volume of each one decreases - unless of course you pick the string harder, which I guess you're doing, some of the time anyway. (In fact, the series you play in order at the end of your first clip, beginning with the open string, shows a regular decrease in volume, as I would expect from a fairly consistent attack.) Have you used any form of compression on the recording? The 11th harmonic is the most impressive achievement, but I had to check with software that that was the pitch being produced (after the clunk). I couldn't hear it clearly myself. As you may know, that note is significantly out of tune, midway between a tempered A and A# (slightly nearer A). And even if it was in tune, I see no musical use for it, given the difficulty and poor audibility. (How often do pianists employ the "clink" of their top A?) I guess this the harmonic you refer to as the "tritone" in your diagram - which it isn't, quite, of course. Quote:
But I guess, to be fair, I'm personally not too interested in the kind of music I can imagine being created in this way. YMMV obviously. Good luck in your endeavour to build some creativity out of your technique. Quote:
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Even when I want to poke balloons with a pin, I need to be nice...
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Fair enough about your opinion about "equal clarity," there's always room to improve. But my attack is fairly consistent at all points in that demonstration. There was probably technically a decrease in volume as I went higher in the series throughout that clip but since the pitches are getting so high (and thus penetrating) while attaining/maintaining relative clarity that a decrease in volume may be being cognitively negated. I guess you could say that's one advantage of getting them on the highest string. As to why you were able to notice the volume decrease particularly prominently in the last sequence, it was probably just "operator error" on my part, my apologies for that. You are, of course, right about the 11th harmonic as far as it not being exactly the tritone used in equal temperament. I didn't make that diagram, it's from another site, and I chose to use it for its detail. You're entitled to your opinion as far as its usability, I don't want to go down an intonation rabbit-hole on this thread. About the obscured knowledge point...I was referring specifically to the act of physically accessing the tones on the first string of acoustic guitar (even if you see that as pointless). Note that I repeatedly specified that I was only concerned with the first string; the lower stings are not in any way a part of what my initial post was about. Just getting them "at all" is not what I care about, I'm only concerned with getting them clearly under the restrictions/limitations imposed specifically by the highest string. And of course I know that we can easily use and arrange the specific pitch values with synths and computers; furthermore, anyone can find and read some Harry Partch if they are so inclined, haha. Finally, this is not amazing, and I was not intentionally trying to "spin" it as such. It's just the basis of other applications I'm developing and I was curious if people would be interested in a purely technical discussion. As to the rest of your points/questions, I emailed you. Thanks for thinking clearly about this topic. Last edited by interyeti; 09-11-2017 at 04:29 PM. |