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I will try to play around with the other wavemap (the less muddy one) and see if I get better outcomes through a PA. I agree that adding reverb made things worse in this scenario, lesson learnt. Regarding CH0, thanks for the explanation, now it makes more sense to me, what the character control is doing. Just a suggestion - it could be worth to include that information in the manual. Last edited by Monsum; 08-19-2018 at 06:07 AM. |
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As suggested above, the room and the speaker (and added reverb) had too much effect on the comparison to make it fair, so here is a direct recording of both, first Tonedexter and then Behringer ADI21.
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These results don't surprise me.
I too liked the first test better. in your first recording with the speaker. And in the second recording as well i liked the first one . So one vote for the behringer and one for the TD. I am no help sorry ha,, I thought the second song(strumming) on the first recording was overdriven a bit with some distortion just a tad too hot for my tastes. i too don't see what the TD hype is all about. I bought one played live with it 3 times and sold it.. no regrets. I've never heard the behringer unit before. Is it a straight up preamp or does it do the IR thing like the TD ? Never been a fan of anything Behringer. Always seemed like lower quality stuff. But this thing sounds decent. Again Both units sound good . As usual my comments are purely subjective. Last edited by varmonter; 08-19-2018 at 06:21 AM. |
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I think it's meant to be a Behringer clone of the SansAmp Acoustic DI (discontinued now) with its microphone/tube emulation, whatever it does. Definitely the ADI21 is worth to keep as a backup preamp or if you're on a budget. |
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For what its worth, my best results with the A3 have been with blending the iRig Acoustic Stage mic with a bit of UST signal from a PUTW I/O UST. Unfortunately, this only works well for home recording. The iRig/UST/A3 setup is too cumbersome for quick setups and too feedback prone for most of my gig environments.
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I think Doug Young has pointed this out many times in the past, that a direct recording of a pickup can sound pretty marginal where the same pickup into a sound system and live room (or reverb) can sound pretty good. Add the background noise of a restaurant gig and you'll understand why so many live guitarists are using the UST shipped with their guitar.
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I agree, a direct recording of a pickup proves nothing...
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It depends ...
if someone posts a direct recorded pickup I can run that recording through my speaker system and get an impression how it sounds in a (my room). If a speaker and a room is recorded I don't think I can get any useful information out of this beacause a mic hears the room totally different that the ear. It is true that a pickup that sounds bad through phones CAN sound nice or acceptable through speakers in a room. On the other hand it's never wrong if you use a signal that sounds right through phones! A good recording will never sound bad - through phones or speakers, in every room. |
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If you want to blend in your original pickup signal you have to turn the knob to the left. The more left the more you mix in the pure pickup to wavemap. So it looks like you cannot mix CH1 or CH2 with the pickup signal, just CH0. If I'm not right with this, please let me know. I don't want to spread nonsense here. |
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Direct recordings won't tell you how a particular sound will translate in a live setting but it definitely gives you an idea what a pickup sounds like. On his website, Doug posts a direct signal for a reason. Fortunately, in this thread the OP cleverly included both a direct and a room recording. I much prefer to have a demo of a direct recording rather than a demo (quite common on YouTube) when someone wants to show a pickup or a preamp or an amp/PA and records a room sound with an acoustic sound of a guitar bleeding into the final signal. That's why I placed the speaker in a different room from where I was with my guitar for the sample in my first post in this thread. |
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I'm too old to even think that an iPhone could be the appropriate gear to check a sound. A dinosaur like me thinks in PA speakers, studio monitors and good headphones. Poor me!!! :-) |
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Actually everything sounds the same through my iPhone Speakers anyway lol
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I simply haven't had the time to sit down near that stuff to do some quality listening. On the other hand, I've always got my Bluetooth headphones and phone and listen to hours of music every day. It's funny how life keeps us all busy...
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