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I find it harder to memorize your method for memorization than just memorizing a tune. I get it in my head, then put it in my fingers, then play it enough so I get to a point where I couldn't verbally describe or transcribe the melody and chords without a guitar in my hands. I usually just think "Play 'XYZ' now" and the brain and fingers take it from there.
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Memory is associative, or memory works through links. Think of one thing and your memory will immediately have a range of things associated with it ready for you to access, should you wish. What works for me is to memorise the sound of a piece of music. Then I can associate with the sound what my hands were doing when I made that sound.
Over the years this has developed to the point where I can hear a new musical phrase and know what my hands have to do to play that phrase. I've not got perfect pitch, thank goodness, so I might not play it in the same key but I can find the right key if I want to. People call this playing by ear but I prefer to think of it as playing by memory, sound memory. I'm not thinking of theory or theoretical concepts. I know my theory well enough but thinking theory is so desperately slow compared with associating the sound of notes with what my hands have to do to play them. I've never consciously tried to learn this. It came from spending lots of time copying sounds I heard. |
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Listening to recorded music and picking bits up one note at a time will develop your memory for sound and your associating that sound with what your hands do. Just do lots of it. |
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The value can't actually be appreciated without actually doing some of it. The difference in thinking/hearing is something akin to hearing/thinking in sentences as opposed to single syllables or words. |
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Well said. I was trying to think of a way to put it, but you nailed it . . |
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I have a daughter learning to drive. She literally thinks about everything: hands, feet, sequences of events very linearly. I tried to explain to her that you don't always have to think that much . Once you learn, it's an automatic process. Still, even though it is mostly an unconscious "wordless " process, I can still verbalize and label steps in the process . I can abstract it into ideas and concepts without it hindering these wordless thoughts. It's not going to slow me down. One does not necessarily interfere with the other. |
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Martial arts instructors verbalize movements, break them down , maybe talk about them in very very fine detail. It's then understood that STUDENT is responsible to take that knowledge and practice it, to develop it into AUTOMATIC responses which are faster than verbal/symbolic/linear thought processes. automatic and unconscious is assumed to be the standard in all cases, but you still learn basic terminology . One simply doesn't hinder the other. |
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Lyrics always helped my remember the chords way back when I strummed and sung along with myself. Kind of like a 3 way reconciliation - melody to chords to words.
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Tunes I learn by ear seem to stick in my memory much better than tunes I get off a sheet of paper. I have no explanation except that science tells us we use different parts of our brain for hearing and seeing. Maybe that part of my brain works better?
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I think learning a song through degrees has, s everything, pros and cons : pros : - the only i see is for transposition. You learn a standard by its degrees instead of chord names, and it will be easier to transpose to another key. So easy tunes, that are subject to transpositions (blues, rythmn changes, jazz or folk standards) are really worth the effort. Helps you being flexible with playing tunes cons : - with complex harmonies and key changes, the stuff can become really complicated. because you have to process the key changes but without seeing it clearly. Another thing is using harmonic degrees represent a certain interpretation of harmony. Chord names are more neutral... |