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Windy And Warm Learning Help
So been trying to learn this song for over a week now, play it every day for about 10-15 minutes (for some reason the A minor really cramps up fast with this song).
I don't seem to be getting the hang of doing the base line with my thumb, or having the thumb be a little independent of the fingers. I know its a trick tune and I am more than happ to give myself the time to learn it, actually quite enjoying the challenge, however I do feel like I am missing something. Any advice on how to learn this? Cheers, Si
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My first google hit
https://www.google.com/search?source....0.y0GJfUbXWqI There is so, so much out there already on learning this particular tune. Check out a few videos and find those that click with you. Work on the easier versions first.
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Hey Rick,
Thank heaps for your reply, I appreciate you taking the time. I have actually been through 2 of those videos already, I also have a subscription to DanCHolloway fingerpicking videos, which is where I am mostly leaning it from. That said, the video pretty much just gives you the notes to play. I can already play the first verse from memory, what I cant do is speed the whole thing up, or get my fingers to act independently from my thumb. I figure there has to be drills and stuff for that?
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Do the first verse(s) (including string bend and slide) until you get to speed. The key to timing the whole piece (in many versions anyway) is there.
Here is a way I do the beginning (with a slide rather than a bend) going out of the Am chord shape to do it: (timing not indicated) Or you could do a little bend and slide as here:
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Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above Last edited by rick-slo; 08-28-2014 at 10:18 AM. |
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Nice tabs man, there a lot cleaner than what i already have. I do the bend cos I am bad ***
Well it looks like i just need to keep on pluggin, at the moment it just feels like it will take forever to get the hang of!!!
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Any tune that requires thumb independence is going to be tough. It took me a month of playing Day Tripper everyday for my fingers to get coordinated correctly, then another month to refine it so it sounded decent. It will happen eventually as long as you consistently put practice time in.
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Record yourself doing it. Nobody will criticize your playing and the advice can be specific to what's really happening
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Hi Aussi,
I'm learning this song too and I found benefit from going really really slow, almost mechanically moving fingers without thinking at the music, but only the tab. Once you do it without need to focus, let's say automatically, speed it up and open your ears.. After a while you'll find yourself improvising and keeping the bass line.. it took over a month to me with similar daily training as yours...
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Oh thanks guys, its good to know i am not the only on with slow progress on this song.
@Villamarzia I know exactly what you mean, I am doing exactly this instinctually, each time i pick up the guitar i start REALLY slow and gradually build up pace and then at about the 10 minute mark i try play it at full speed mostly because it make me laugh how far i still have to go but I get much close each passing week thats for sure.
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If you search for a guy named Jim Bruce on youtube one of his free vids is a good version of w&w, ot as he keeps calling it "warm and windy". He's an easy going, affable old Brit with a laid back teaching style and teaches it around three phrases at a time. He also lives on Skype all day chatting with people about his lessons and will answer and demo any problem areas you might encounter.
Last edited by DaveKell; 09-08-2014 at 03:22 AM. Reason: sp |
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Go on youtube and look for footage from Tommy Emmanuel's 2000 concert in St. Louis. There's a section in there (I apologize, I don't remember where exactly it was and I can't look it up at the moment) where he does a little primer on how to learn thumb independence. I had trouble with the technique until I tried his method, and that's when it clicked.
Also, I might also advise starting with something easier, like Freight Train. |
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Thanks dave will look into him.
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Here's the video (about the 43:00 mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2s46WA_Hqs |
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Thanks a bunch for finding that for me GeneK, I had seen it before, but I think I must have watched it before I tried to learn the song itself, and I missed a lot.
I think thats the way to learn it, because the way i am doing it now I am basically just learning the tabs which will never give me finger independence, just the ability to play that one song. Appreciate you looking it up for me, never would have found it again on my own.
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Just came across this randomly and though it worth putting here, Tommy outlines how to learn the independent picking technique specifically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHi8yBb0n3o
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