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Baggs may not be marketing this as an Anthem without a mic, but they aren't making an effort to distance this product from the Anthem. They haven't renamed the microphone, for example; they're still calling it a Tru-Mic. Yes, there may be more complicated EQ going on here, but overall this is a simpler device than the Anthem and ought to cost less. Of course, that may not prove to be the case. |
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I think Ill stick with my Aura Spectrum and Fishman UST..
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Yes, I do think that Baggs is innovative to come up with a type of internal mic which is more resistant to feedback, and to preamp the signal with onboard electronics which remove that boxy inside-the-guitar sound. (That boxy sound, and the feedback susceptability, have been my greatest dislikes, with regard to internal mics.) For the record, AKG makes a stick-on mic (c411) which appears to be similar in application to the Tru-Mic. One of my multi-instrument friends swears by it. |
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In case anyone here is curious, here is the question which I asked, and the answer which I received from the lrbaggsmedia YouTube site administrator, regarding the recording of the Sierra Hull demo of the Lyric system.
Q: "It seems like this Lyric system might serve very well for direct recording applications. Is there some place where I can find the technical details on this demo. I'm presuming that the guitar signal is being recorded directly off the Venue DI, with perhaps a little guitar bleedover into the vocal and violin mics." A:"Hi Gary. Lyric is now our best option for direct recordings. We have a lot more recordings with Lyric that we have not made available yet. There is more cool content coming soon. I can't wait until all of you guys get to hear it for yourself. This recording used this signal path: 1960'something Martin Dread, Lyric into a Venue DI, then to an Apogee Ensemble, into a Macbook Air with Protools." Apogee Ensemble is a FireWire audio interface for Mac. I personally prefer to do my guitar/voice recordings "live", so I'm interested in Lyric as a direct recording option which will minimize vocal bleed onto the guitar track. |
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I also believe Lloyd has a pretty great gauge of the pulse of gigging guitar players. The Anthem probably doesn't sound quite as "acoustic" as some other choices but by gosh it's crazy consistent and virtually feedback proof and feedback proof in the worst of rooms. I've got a Highlander in one of my guitars that's eons and eon's more likely to feedback in bad rooms. I know you gig fairly regularly and I'd bet you'll agree that it's very difficult (if not impossible) to recover from a nasty room with nasty feedback. It rips the wind from my sails and keeps me well away from things that are prone to those follies. I'll take a hit on the acoustic-ness of a pickup for piece of mind any day. I'm utterly positive I'll play better not tryin' to recover from that initial shock and realization a room won't provide for anything even remotely mic-like. This system seems to be a real leap for the working acoustic guitar player. |
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I certainly agree with you on the Anthem, Joseph. It hasn't given me any feedback problems in a wide range of performance settings. I can't say the same for some of the other good sounding (under ideal conditions) pickup systems.
I'm a little skeptical that the Lyric will be as feedback resistant as the Anthem, but I'm guessing it will be excellent for moderate volume settings and direct recording applications. On the subject of the Anthem's tone, I've been experimenting with setting the mic level a little higher in the UST/mic blend. I have to EQ a little differently with my Fishman Platinum preamp (a bass boost of 2 or 3db, and a mid boost of 3 or 4db at around 1.5KHz, I'm guessing), but it sure sounds nice. |
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As to feedback issues with the Lyric (and as I said earlier) I think Lloyd has always been tuned in to some of the trials and tribulations of everyday gig folk and I suspect feedback rejection is still a design concern for him. As good as the iBeam can sound under perfect conditions you've seen him steadfastly move away from that technology and I suspect that has to do with it's finickiness. I'm guessing the Lyric won't be feedback proof but I bettin' it'll be much better than the current crop of SBT's. |
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The Lyric may be an option for a guitar I didn't want to drill for a UST and also save some acoustic tone.
Question I have for alohachris. With your strong opinion of LR Baggs products, I have t ask from my experience, what are some alternatives for an instrumentalist seeking acoustic accuracy without mic stands and mics bunched up in front of the instrument requiring correct position of the guitar? The internal mic method dual source works well and my experience is the Anthem is a workable and price competitive option for discriminating ears.
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So, I get an email from AG, hyping this mic. I review the promo info, and then as I always do, set out to research for reviews, opinions, etc.
The 1st link in my search is to this forum, of which ive been a member for a long time, but haven't frequented of late, due to life. How surprised am I, when I come across a post by none other than myself. So, I now know its $199. Yeah, internal mic's are not new. My 514ce came with the Fishman Blender, which I liked. But most mic's have been on a gooseneck for adjustable placement. I think that this products innovation, is A., The specific placement of the mic/mic's, specifically the closeness to the soundboard, AND B.,the circuitry involved, which many have minimized, but my opinion is that if TWO of the circuitry designs are "patented" and proprietary, they are definitely not not small, insignificant tweaks to anything. My guess, this system is going to sound VERY good. In which applications, gigging, direct recording, etc, I won't speculate. But I'll bet in your home, where most of us, (I would guess) play, I'm betting that the acoustic tone is going to be morse "natural" sounding. But that's just my opinion. I don't worship at the alter of any specific mfg, on their entire catalog. But I do really like the sound of my 514 with I-Beam, and my McPherson which came with Bags UST. I also love the sound of my 812ce with Taylor's electronics, post bug years. Just being on the verge of playing "out" having not picked guitar until my 40's, and now 53, I can't speak to those aspects of being heard in the mix, feedback, room acoustics etc, and so have no idea if the Lyric fits the bill for that. But for my living room, and recording with my Zoom H4n, I expect it to be good, if not great. That said, due to life at present, price alone may drive me to install another I-Beam in my beater, based solely on price. Looking forward to those who install it, and what THEY. Have to say, as everything so far is speculation, and some highly biased at that. The results of a blind test, including lovers, haters, and in-betweeners, would probably be interesting, and possibly entertaining. But until I find a job, it won't be me.
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I just installed the Lyric in an Epiphone Masterbilt EF-500RCCE. (orchestra sized) This guitar already had a LR Baggs Element pre-installed. I did not want to remove it because the action was perfect and it got there because I had done some work in the saddle slot with clay to level the string output and I set the action pretty low. I also like the Element. So I drilled another end pin hole just diagonal and to the rear of the existing hole and added the Lyric preamp, the lyric volume control next to the Element's in the soundhole and then attached both to the same 9 volt (lithium) battery. So...
As I was very used to the Element and my various ways of optimizing its signal, I wasn't sure at first what to make of the Lyric. It's output is MUCH lower than the Element. This makes sense as it is obviously EQ'ed to death with a dramatic slope down toward the lows. But the lows are there... and it's not noisy when cranked. But there is some boxiness. Now I just put it in the recommended spot and frankly, I can't really imagine an internal mic that wouldn't exhibit some boxiness. With a graphic EQ, I'm sure I could make it sound fantastic. It's definitely got the mic'ed sound. But - when I combine it with the Element... it's much better, IMHO. Then I tried my usual bi-amping technique and sent the Element output to a bass amp and the Lyric to an acoustic amp. Voila ! Now we are getting somewhere. Sounds like I'm promoting the Anthem here -and maybe it is a better choice for some guitars. But I'm not saying the Lyric doesn't sound great or won't sound great with certain guitars... but I do believe all these internal systems, more than with external mics, require custom EQ and processing... and then they can sound great. I still need to try a recording with the pickups on separate tracks, but I'm sure I'll still be using an external preamp with a bit of tweaking. |
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Use of a pressure zone Microphone is not true innovation? Who else has done this? I have used it in a Doubleneck acoustic and it does hear the whole soundboard balancing the two bridges when no other pickup seemed to do so. For my rather unique application it has be a awesome thing. Is it perfect no, but I actually see it as as an attempt to get pass the piezo past and into something that is truely different. As for concentrating on the mass market, that is the reality of business, nothing wrong with trying to supply the masses with simple solutions.
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http://www.akg.com/C411-832.html?pid=968 One of our local multi-instrumentalists has been using this with string instruments. Perhaps that's what Chris is referring to. Of course, the Lyric also has the special circuitry which makes it less feedback prone. |
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As I said in an earlier post, I have the Lyric installed simultaneously with an Element sharing the same lithium 9 volt, each with their own sound hole volume control and preamp/jack. The Lyric feeds back much more than the Element. It's a microphone. You are not going to get much feedback rejection from a mic, period. Not without drastically sacrificing tone. You have to point your amp away just like with any miked situation. It does sound very pleasing and inspirational, which is most important to me. I have yet to record with it, and I'm thinking some of the boxiness/ringing I'm getting (probably due in large part to the amp) will not be there with a direct recording using headphones. My goal is to have an inspirational sound for live performance and a very real sound for recording where I don't have to remain rigid in front of mics or worry obsessively about background noise. I have no buyers/installers regrets, that's for sure. It's in a concert size, cedar topped, rosewood acoustic now. I'd really like to hear it in my larger spruce topped, maple sided dread. All that aside, the comments that mean the most to me are from folks that ACTUALLY have the system installed and are describing the pros and cons and how they are getting the most out of it or why it doesn't work for them. I'm only taking the time to elaborate as I've been in that position where I'm searching for unbiased feedback on a product and I'm returning the favor as honestly as I know how.
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