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You are getting good advice. I wanted to add a few things.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE! You are experiencing what most of us here have experienced. The dreaded under the saddle transducer (UST). They don't sound anything like a guitar, but as you can tell, it cut through the crowd effectively. Not a great sound, but many people accept it. You might be also experiencing the dreaded piezo "Quack". We can't necessarily hear it on the recording, but it may be the sound you are experiencing when you start strumming hard. What you are doing is the signals gets squashed and starts sounding unpleasant. Some techies can tell you more than I about what's going on. It may sound okay when you are fingerpicking or playing lightly. The advice you are getting about EQ is good. You that method to cut out the most offending sound you can find. Means moving the dial to the left of 12:00. Lastly, this is the life of a UST. If it still doesn't suit you, there are other systems that sound more natural and pleasing but they may not cut through the roar of a loud room such as the one you are playing in. Keep asking the questions, you may be on a bit of journey that isn't necessarily easy or cheap. You may find an easy solution just by learning to better use what you already have. It just takes patience and time. Good luck.
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TEST PLAYING It still has that "sharp", and brittle sound I was explaining, but somewhat to a lesser extent, I think. Of course, it might sound completely different once on a stage and on a PA. Quote:
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The dreaded piezo "Quack I addressed with a bodyrez pedal. It seems to help smooth out the piezo pickup.
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As I played a bit with my Zoom 504 which acts a a pre-amp and has a solid number of options to shape the tone (along with "air" option to mimic the microphone amplification), I managed to get one decent "default" sound to use on gigs, and memorized it with/without chorus. Thus, I gave up on buying preamps, DI-Box, EQ... for now, and gone the other route:
I spent 1 hour today in music instruments store trying simple Seymour Duncan Woody HC pickup, to blend with the piezo on Yamaha CPX500II, on a basic PA system. I simply connected to two channels on mix (piezo + Woody), and tested it - through piezo, as expected, the signal is much louder - to give you idea, when piezo volume at guitar pickup is set at 12 o'clock, than in order for Woody and piezo signal to be at the same volume level, Woody's channel needs to be at max, while piezo channel is at 9 o'clock. Woody's sound (without piezo) sounded a bit more like the natural "acoustic" sound, though a bit muddy, and gave some more "drumming" options at the left body's side, while piezo has a wider frequency and generally more "space" to it. The best result was in blend, roughly speaking - using 60% from piezo sound and 40% from Woody, or even 70-30. In that regard, Woody's channel was at max, piezo's channel on 10 o'clock, and piezo volume at guitar pickup at around 2 o'clock. I managed to lost a bit of that sharp piezo sound, but to maintain the frequency range. Now for the sweetest part - Zoom 504 actually has two inputs - HIGH and LOW, and "high" is for acoustic with pickups, and "low" for piezo - and both can work simultaneously, so my next step is to try to connect Woody and piezo to Zoom, and then just use one output to mix channel. I will lose separate Woody's control on mix, but that way I can only control the dosage of piezo on Yamaha and it'll work. In any way, I think I'll buy Woody for the next gig (it might sound completely different on that other PA, but oh well ) Last edited by diego; 05-26-2016 at 03:08 PM. |
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I don't know of this is the right place to ask or not but I'm looking for advice on electronics as well. I have a Yamaha A3R which I absolutely love. I always play through a PA with no Di as I believe the a3r has a preamp and doesn't need it. It has a piezo pu and mic Modeling I believe similar to the fishman aura.
There is no piezo quack due to the Modeling but it seams thin sounding when played live. But then I had a friend play it while I listened and thought it sounded great. Is it possible this is just due to monitor speakers, or sound board settings? Maybe playing styles. But it sounds fantastic to me acoustic. tA first I thought it was the guitar electronics until I had my friend play it. Any suggestions? |
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Differences in sound heard can be attributed to where in the room you are and what the speakers are. Certainly the monitor speaker could sound different than the main speakers. But how close to the guitar/stage were you when you listened to your friend playing? you could also have been hearing the direct sound of the guitar more than you would when you are holding it and playing.
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yes, this is a common misconception. Having a high impedance input is only important when you're directly connecting a *passive* piezo pickup. With a system like this, the pickup itself is buffered by the onboard preamp. The imepdance match happens between the pickup and the onboard preamp.
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