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Old 10-22-2012, 10:06 PM
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As a few others have mentioned I would suggest you try out the Taylor GS models, also many Taylors can be ordered with a short scale neck (at no additional cost) if you are so inclined. Good luck.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:24 PM
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Here are some different sounds, not exactly jumbos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpUAPtkMuoY

http://youtu.be/o6ZucPcN33E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1nxW-6cmtM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xPvwLJVZN0

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Old 10-23-2012, 04:45 AM
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Default Jumbo for Jazz Playing?

A few months ago I played a beautiful Guild (F-50?) jumbo that had a figured maple body and an arched back. It was out of my price range, but (being a jazz guy myself) thought it was ideal for what you're looking for.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:43 AM
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Try a Gibson J-185. If you find a good one, it should suit your needs perfectly.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:55 AM
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I would think a maple jumbo would be about the only choice in a traditional tone wood for a jumbo to play jazz. Warmer woods might provide so much boom that the slight nuances of the jazz chords could get lost in the overwhelming bass.

I had an ovankol 416ce that was loud, balanced and I think would have been good for the purposes you desire. I can't even begin to play jazz, so I can't speak from first hand experience, but it might be something to consider.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:43 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I almost forgot about the Taylor GS series, which I will definitely consider. I just have to find one without on board electronics. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't care for the sound. I'd rather deal with a mic, for better or worse.

I've been hesitant to check out the Guild F50, the one with the maple body, as it (for some reason) uses a laminate back. Why laminate on a guitar like that? For that price I could get a decent all solid wood archtop.

tbp0701: I love the sound of the OM/000, but wish it had a bit more volume. Sometimes when I really get into chunking out rhythm chords, I sense that I've gone beyond the max volume this guitar can handle. I'd be fine with a little more bass response if that means I'll get more overall volume.

And, I agree, some guys can get along just fine with a dread in this style... (Julian Lage anyone?)

Oh- one more thing: are the Taylor GS's 17" in the lower bout, like a jumbo?

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Old 10-23-2012, 08:01 AM
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Just took a glance at the Taylor GS8- beautiful guitar! These have no pick guards, correct? I like guitars with no pick guards!

What string gauge comes standard on these? My friend's Taylor Dread (which happens to be here with me right now) is strung with light gauge. I've been thinking it would benefit from medium gauge, although thats not my choice...
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:44 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I almost forgot about the Taylor GS series, which I will definitely consider. I just have to find one without on board electronics. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't care for the sound. I'd rather deal with a mic, for better or worse.

I've been hesitant to check out the Guild F50, the one with the maple body, as it (for some reason) uses a laminate back. Why laminate on a guitar like that? For that price I could get a decent all solid wood archtop.

tbp0701: I love the sound of the OM/000, but wish it had a bit more volume. Sometimes when I really get into chunking out rhythm chords, I sense that I've gone beyond the max volume this guitar can handle. I'd be fine with a little more bass response if that means I'll get more overall volume.

And, I agree, some guys can get along just fine with a dread in this style... (Julian Lage anyone?)

Oh- one more thing: are the Taylor GS's 17" in the lower bout, like a jumbo?

Thanks
The GS is 16 1/4" at the lower bout. You can get any of the models without electronics (I play only jazz and never buy acoustics with electronics). If you don't need a cutaway the electronic free models would be the GS5 through the GS8, the GS6 is the maple model. Have fun.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:54 AM
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And, I agree, some guys can get along just fine with a dread in this style... (Julian Lage anyone?)

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To be fair though--anytime you see Julian with a group, it's his Manzer or L5.

I do beleive that Martin dread is his favorite guitar though...at least he said that somewhere in an interview...
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:15 PM
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I've been hesitant to check out the Guild F50, the one with the maple body, as it (for some reason) uses a laminate back. Why laminate on a guitar like that? For that price I could get a decent all solid wood archtop.

tbp0701: I love the sound of the OM/000, but wish it had a bit more volume. Sometimes when I really get into chunking out rhythm chords, I sense that I've gone beyond the max volume this guitar can handle. I'd be fine with a little more bass response if that means I'll get more overall volume.

And, I agree, some guys can get along just fine with a dread in this style...
Oh Boy, greenchim', you owe it to yourself to try one of the Guild F-50s if you can. Their arched laminated back has been a real successful design for a long time and there's a reason it's been kept where the rest of their traditional line is solid-bodied.
Admittedly I am biased as the owner of a Guild CV-2C maple model that though no longer in production is great guitar, but I've played a few of the recent F-50s and they are impressive.
For what it's worth, here's a vid that Guild put out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9Vg...ure=plpp_video
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:04 PM
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Just checked out that video and the one with the standard F50. The laminate back makes sense now, and seeing as how it has been a part of that guitar since 1954, I understand that it has to do with design rather than "cheapening" the guitar in any way. I see it as a sort of hybrid arch top/Ovation kind of design Idea in that it acts as a reflective material to bounce the sound out. Very impressive. I can't wait to try one out, even though I won't be buying for quite a while. If only Elderly would get a new one in so I could go try it...
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:22 PM
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That's the spirit and enjoy your search!
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:29 AM
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Some have mentioned in this thread that a dreadnought is not so good for jazz. It probably wouldn't be my first choice, however, I think that Keith Ganz, who plays sound demos for Sound Pure has really shown that you can get some amazing tones out of a dread for fingerstyle jazz.

I know the TS plays with a pick, but I think with enough skill that could sound good too. Not all dreads need to be pounded with a flatpick to sound good. Anyways, if you're interested listen to these soundclips. I know some people hate youtube guitar clips, but these are recorded very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anB4VJRNe2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYCD0...=results_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngfg5...feature=relmfu
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:08 AM
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Lowden O23. Mellow, clear and very loud.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:28 AM
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Some have mentioned in this thread that a dreadnought is not so good for jazz. It probably wouldn't be my first choice, however, I think that Keith Ganz, who plays sound demos for Sound Pure has really shown that you can get some amazing tones out of a dread for fingerstyle jazz.

I know the TS plays with a pick, but I think with enough skill that could sound good too. Not all dreads need to be pounded with a flatpick to sound good. Anyways, if you're interested listen to these soundclips. I know some people hate youtube guitar clips, but these are recorded very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anB4VJRNe2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYCD0...=results_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngfg5...feature=relmfu
Not really hearing any jazz there, and solo playing is quite a bit different than with a group--but I agree--there's really no rule against anything...it just wouldn't be my first (or tenth) choice...
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