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First of all, let me admit to being a grammar nerd. I'd also like to add that the following is not a peeve but just something I've noticed of late. When someone is ordering in a restaurant, I've noticed that the diner will often say, "I'll do _____" in lieu of "I'd like to order _____." When did this come about and where did it derive from?
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Me: "Thank you."

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Me: "Thank you."

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Yeh, what happened to a simple, "You're welcome" ?
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Me: "Thank you."

Server: "No problem, have a good rest of your day."
Is this incorrect? It looks like it should be written:
...rest-of-your-day.
But while it may lean toward colloquialism, I'm not sure that it is incorrect. If that's what you are intimating.

Using the verb to do in place of to have, or to order, or to try, or even to take, does seem technically incorrect, though becoming more common in casual usage.
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Is this incorrect? It looks like it should be written:
...rest-of-your-day.
But while it may lean toward colloquialism, I'm not sure that it is incorrect. If that's what you are intimating.
I'd guess not, unless the waiter writes his reply on the table cloth I would venture that the issue here is that the waiter implies that a client being thankful is not a problem.
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RP, I've noticed that as well. My wife, even, says that!

It is both irritating and interesting at the same time. I don't know when it came about.

And "No problem" as a reply to "thank you" bugs the heck out of me too!
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“I’ll do the burger” sounds faintly disgusting to me.
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For what it’s worth, my pet peeve here is telling a server ‘I’ll have’ which sounds like a decree rather than a request, which would be ‘May I please have.’

Should there be a dangling participle in my sentence above, I apologize.
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My wife, even, says that!
Since we're talking about grammatical constructs: IIRC the commas are redundant here, and somewhat of a poetic liberty (to give extra emphasis).

They're not incorrect to the best of my knowledge but I did notice that many native English speakers (mostly Americans?) have developed a tendency to add commas in strange places. Presumably where they'd pause for breath or think about the next word while speaking?

Or maybe it's the auto-correction on their phones, I'm certain that's the source of many "typos" that are in fact grammatical errors in French written messages (like using the past participle instead of an infinitive or vise-versa when they share the same pronunciation).

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For what it’s worth, my pet peeve here is telling a server ‘I’ll have’ which sounds like a decree rather than a request, which would be ‘May I please have.’
You're not wrong but even the high-brow members of my French family will say "je prendrai" (I'll have) in restaurants fancy enough that the ladies get a menu without the prices. There will probably be a "please" or two somewhere in the exchange but in the end you're ordering food that you will be paying for (and you know that the waiter's income doesn't depend on your tips). In fact, I've know waiters in Paris and places in Italy who might react in ways you wouldn't expect if you asked "may I please have" something they couldn't agree with, because they think you'd like to have it for free or that they know isn't available at that time
(Interestingly, it's customary to ask if you may pay, and of course for any extras you might want (esp. the ones that are free, like bread and water).)
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Next time I'm at the McD's drive-thru, with the AI robot taking my order, I'm going to try saying that and see if it works. If it does, then it is officially OK.
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“I’ll have what she’s having” The line from When Harry Met Sally. That’s my best guess as to the genesis of the change. I also admit to having a comma problem and ordering incorrectly in French.
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Yeh, what happened to a simple, "You're welcome" ?
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And "No problem" as a reply to "thank you" bugs the heck out of me too!
Ditto. I am so glad they didn't have a problem.

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“I’ll do the burger” sounds faintly disgusting to me.
Hmm, this could get vewwy intewesting...
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Since we're talking about grammatical constructs: IIRC the commas are redundant here, and somewhat of a poetic liberty (to give extra emphasis).

They're not incorrect to the best of my knowledge,,,
So are they correct, or no?

I considered leaving them out, as I've come to use fewer commas than I did back in college (B/A English, btw) some 46 years ago. But I chose to leave them in to emphasize a conversational style as opposed to a more technical style.

It's easy to get tangled up with commas. But let's not do it here, okay?
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All languages change and evolve over time. The “peeves” just mean you’re noticing it.
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Never mind this minor convention wobbling minutiae, what is shivering my timbers is the growing use of 'floor' when what should be said is 'ground'. I was nearly apoplectic t'other day when, in a news report, the bleedin' reporter referred to a person sitting on the 'floor' in the street. This was on the BBC for gawd's sake!! The BBC!!! Is nothing sacred?

And I'm not starting on the 'less' and 'fewer' misuse ... which has been going on since

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