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Also as I mentioned earlier the whole mantra of external drives started when it was absolutely a necessity. Operating systems were archaically and numbingly slow. Drives fragmented at rate which kept us defraging every other day. Memory allocation (as it applies to applications) wasn't automatic and although Pro Tools allowed for memory allocation, many applications did not. Processor speeds were a tenth of what they are now and the biggest issue of all was how drives "spun" audio out to the hard drives, that is in a fragmented manner. Drives were also dramatically smaller (as have been mentioned) so keeping boot drives lean and mean was virtually impossible without extraordinary attention and on a daily basis. All of this combined to make external drives a must despite (for those around back then) the enormously frustrating issues caused by scsi drives with scsi cards and scsi drivers which were at very, very best biblically finicky and often frustratingly unreliable. Simultaneous to all these issues along came both Sweetwater and Glyph industries which I'm positive helped to dramatically inflate the notion of external drives as we perceive them even today. Although I knew the guys from the early days of Glyph and genuinely found them delightful folks, I never believed in their products. More voodoo. These, among a handful of others, are reasons the industry starting the chant of "external drives" and undeiably with good reason. External drives are still totally viable as we speak. Absolutely nothing wrong with using them and they can be, for some, a great advantage. Certainly portability being chief. I've got no beef with using external drives however I do take issue with them being mandatory especially in the light of the new SS drives. My point all along is those embryonic reasons that launched the move away from using boot drives for audio are by and large completely gone. |
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I just wanted to pop back in and give a hearty THANK YOU to everyone who has commented on this. All very helpful, and a completely fascinating discussion.
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I have a whole BOX full of SCSI drives and Firewire drives that are less than 100MB. Modern equipment is so much better! The only time I don't record to external drives is when I'm recording with my Zoom H4N but as soon as I'm done recording, the SD card is backed up to 2 locations. |
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I remember my first PC (late 80s), which cost $1200(!) - when its original 20M HD died, I found the smallest replacement I could get was 40M - for close to $300. Just think: a couple of weeks ago I bought a thumbdrive with 64G capacity for $20.
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We live in amazing times, but they probably said that when B&W TV happened, and again when color happened.
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and suddenly, this forum turns into rec.audio.pro newsgroup!!
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Internet Relay Chat. Part of the pre-web internet.
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Aah, but processors CAN perform multiple tasks at once. The whole multi-core thing is exactly that. On my MacBook Pro I have 4 cores. So 4 simultaneous instructions. Now if 1 process is managing writing a swap file & another is writing your audio to disk, but they’re both going to the same physical drive you have s bottleneck. At some point that bottleneck will manifest itself as a problem with your audio file because the OS will prioritize it’s process (writing the swap file) over a 3rd party process (your DAW writing the audio file). This is why you want to record to a drive that is not your boot drive. External or internal secondary drive...whatever works for you. There are also other considerations. I am simplifying a bit. We can also get into the nitty gritty of disk controllers & data busses & how they communicate. But that may be more detail than we need to get into. Does that help demystify this a bit?
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