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Does the mic/pickup system interfere with the acoustic sound?
Hi, I was wondering if those kind of mic/pickup system may anyhow interfere with the acoustic sound, impeding maybe the proper vibration of the top, and if the undersaddle pickup won't hinder the good transmission of the vibration from the saddle to the top?
(here an L.R Baggs Anthem system)
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Personally, I don't trust them not to and wouldn't use them. Actually, if truth be told I prefer my acoustic guitars purely acoustic, and purchase no acoulstic guitars with any type of built-in electronics. If I ever needed amplification, a microphone would suffice.
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I personally could not detect any change in tone or volume after putting a Baggs Lyric in my AJ.
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No human being could ever detect the difference, especially it they did not know, to begin with, that there was a system inside. If they knew, they'd imagine all sorts of things. The more important point is: Will a given system provide YOU with a palatable aural experience? It won't sound exactly like your guitar un-plugged, but many systems provide a pleasant sound. If purity is your aim, work at playing only for listening audiences in living rooms with no PA system. HE |
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have the LR Baggs Anthem in a Martin 00-18V and it has no effect on the acoustic sound...
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Hi Sixfir...
The main benefit to my guitars when I switched dual source systems from the Lloyd Baggs Dual source with an LB-6 saddle to the K&K dual source (under bridge plate pickup and internal mic) was restoring the original acoustic tone of the guitar when played in the room instead of a PA system/amp. I didn't realize how much it had robbed from my guitar. The LB-6 saddle is a brass blank with 6 piezos embedded in it, topped with Micarta (man made saddle material), and it is a great acoustic electric pickup. When I had the Baggs system removed from my guitar, a bone saddle custom made for it, and the K&K installed, the improvement to my acoustic tone was immediately apparent to me, and to my gigging partner (who frequently plays my guitar) and a couple guests who drop in to play my guitars and drink coffee. I said nothing, and they all commented on how much better it sounded. I was shocked at the pile of 'stuff' laying on the luthier's bench that had been removed from my guitar, and took it home and weighed it on my coffee roasting scales - and it was over 6 ounces of gear which came out of the inside of my guitar. It was replaced with under 2 ounces of pickup/mic. I was caught off guard when the tone improved so much. The guitar already sounded so good, I didn't think it could improve. I was wrong... I think undersaddle pickups, specifically the LB-6 or the element flattened/crushed coaxial style undersaddle pickups, rob acoustic tone from an instrument. These both have a dampening effect on the acoustic tone of a guitar. I don't find the same to be true of the Sound Board Transducers (K&K Pure Mini, Feather, PUTW etc). |
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I put the LR Baggs Anthem in my Alvarez and it came back out because it had a pretty big large adverse impact on the acoustic sound. Not sure if it was the large pre-amp attached to the guitar top or the mesh under the saddle that had the most impact, but that rig had to go. However, it did sound really good plugged in -- I'll say that for it.
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Hi LJ, thank you for the answers, sounds very interesting, do you know were the mic is fixed with the K and K dual source?
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I noticed the change in my acoustic tone when I had the softer flexible chorded style pickups installed and uninstalled on my guitars. It was true with the Highlander the DTAR multi-source and the Baggs Element that comes with the Anthem. I can't say I noticed the difference when a hard stiff piezo element was installed. I would agree with Larry on installing the heavier bulkier systems as well.
BTW, Larry, Bone does sound much different to my ears than micarta. My K&K mini DPA mic combo was wonderfully unobtrusive. Both were directly attached to a stereo endpin and to the Pendulum module.
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I'd agree that removing the brass blank with the manmade material glued to the top of it, and exchanging it for a bone saddle was what made the bulk of the difference too. If I somehow failed to convey that, thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear it up. That said, I have changed saddles from man-made to bone in many guitars, and this change went far beyond any amount of change I'd ever made or heard. I am also convinced that removing 4½ ounces of preamp which was velcroed to the back of the guitar in line with the sound hole, and then removing the battery contributed to improved sound too. |
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It's attached to the bottom edge of a side brace adjacent to the sound hole with some double-stick foam tape, and it sits ½" - ¾" below the surface of the top, pointing out at the 3rd string. This is a picture of one of my internal mics... |
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Having said that, it's definitely all subjective. I am not a huge fan of having added weight in my guitar but unfortunately some pickups rely on active electronics. I would love to install the K&K trinity and be done with it but it would just be a nightmare in the venues that I play. |
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Does any kind of pickup affect the acoustic sound?
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As far as changing the acoustic tone goes, several lbs. of forearm resting on the soundboard will have a more damping effect on the sound than any type of pickup system, and even then, the difference is so slight as to be barely perceptible by most people. |