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Old 12-09-2017, 11:36 AM
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Hi, I Have a chord progression for my latest song that I don't know the parent key of?

Its A6 ( 5x465x ) to Bbmaj7 for the versus and then switches to Cmaj7 to Gmaj7 for a chorus

Does it have a parent key or is it what they call modal?

Thanks in advance.
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Wow, thanks so much for all your wonderful answers!
The reason for trying to pin down a key is when I go to jam nights there are a few guys who play along with sax or trumpet, and I wanted to give them a hint of the key - a few of my songs have 'odd' chord structure, so when people join in, there comes a distinct point where they get lost or it just sounds not so good. Of course they could learn the song but different musicians appear at different times.

The reason for using the A6 in that position is because the Bbmaj7 is rooted to the 6th fret, and also it allows a small walk from the Gmaj7 back to the A6 when the different parts transition to each other.

I wish I was better technically so I could record it for you, as it would show the relationship between the melody and the chords - I have a Zoom H1 recorder for all my song ideas so I could put it on that but then I get lost with the next steps for sharing.

Anyway, the song is called 'The last Alchemist in the World" and tells the story of the last in line of a spell maker whose fed up with the type of requsts for his craft.

Once again, thanks for your wonderful answers.

Probably the easiest thing to do over those chords is to treat the A6 - BbMaj7 as a Bb Lydian progression (Bb C D E F G A - same notes as F Major scale) depending on how you're emphasizing the chords. You'd just have to be careful with the F note over the A6 chord. If you play F# instead you would have the Lydian Augmented scale (Bb C D E F# G A), but who's gonna know that one at a jam session? You could try throwing G Melodic Minor at them (same notes). Any horn player who's had lessons with a teacher would know that scale.


The CMaj7 - GMaj7 is simple G Major scale (G A B C D E F#)

The only difference between G Major and G Melodic Minor is B natural or Bb. On paper any horn player should have no trouble shifting between the two. In the real world however...


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Old 12-10-2017, 03:33 AM
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A second reply. With sincerity, I hope that some people find my post useful.
Having said that, I also have a tendency to miss some very big and important information sometimes. All Bar One wrote, "I Have a chord progression for my latest song." That was a pretty important part of the post. My response leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. As a result, I feel compelled to offer an additional reply.

First off All Bar One, congratulations! That is a nice sounding progression. I've taken a minute to play it. While I don't know exactly what you are doing with it, I like it.

The first thing I want to briefly mention is the role of theory and composition. I mean, you are asking questions related to theory. And, you wrote something. That makes you the composer. It is not the composer's job to try to follow the "rules" of theory. Rather, it is the theoretician's job to explain to the rest of us what composer's are doing.

You wrote something. You like it. I like it. There. :-)

Jazz is not my area of expertise, but it is worth my briefly discussing because classical musicians and jazz musicians talk about theory in different ways. Other styles of music may be influenced by either. One way isn't better than the other. They are just different. They are both tools that do different jobs very well.

To solve your problem, I wouldn't try to find a key. There isn't one. Although not technically correct, you might want to think of the key changing for every chord. Again, this is not correct, but it might get you thinking about this in a better way.

Find a different scale that sounds good for each of the chords. For example, I'll tell you what I did:

Look at your A6 chord. You can play an A major scale and it sounds great. But you can also play A Mixolydian and it sounds great, too (just think of it as a D major scale if it is confusing. My personal tastes? I like the A Mixolydian (or D major).

I'd simply choose B-flat major for the second chord.

So, whether or not I was writing a melody or soloing, I would go back and forth between the D major scale (A mixolydian) and the B-flat major scale mirroring the chords.

For the chorus? I'd go back and forth between the C major and G major scales. That really means that sometimes your F is sharp, and sometimes it is natural. With either your solos or your melody, you can really play with that. 6 of the 7 notes always stay the same, but 1 changes. Knowing when the note changes is what will get the results you want.

Now, take it a little further. What if you studied the verse in the same way? Look at the notes in your D major scale:

d, e, f#, g, a, b, c#

Look at the notes in your B-flat major scale:
b-flat, c, d, e-flat, f, g, a

There are three notes in common: d, g, and a. The other four notes are always changing depending on which chord is being played.

Taking it even another step further, and getting some great results with just a little bit of work:

Do you know your five major scale patterns and how they connect? If you don't this might be the motivation to learn them. Why? Because your melodies, and solos are going to sound very, very cool and well learned when you can shift back and forth from one key to the other, but not have to shift positions. To be able to stay in one spot and move from one scale to the other. Learning five scale patterns and how they connect is the key to being able to play in all keys, everywhere at the same time.

Happy practicing! And again, this is really cool what you have done. Have fun with it. I hope something I wrote helps. :-)
Hi, thanks so much once again for replying. I'm fairly familiar with all my major scale patterns scale patterns and have just gleaned the knowledge to start to solo over chord changes within the same section of the fretboard, but I tend to HAVE to use the pentatonic caged shape to simplify it to a level where I can do it without messing it up.
I've now got a loop pedal so I'm going to put the progression through the pedal today and have a play.

I've also just purchased the focusrite studio interface and downloaded a DAW so hopefully I can pop back here in a few weeks and let you listen to the song. I don't get much chance to check in to the forum so if I miss a reply - apologies.
Your replies are inspiring, so many thanks once again.
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