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I have nothing against innovation. Do you think I said I do? I don't know where that would be. I try myself to be innovative. And I'm quite sure I never said that Batson falsely claimed to be the first to do anything. You're correcting a position that no one has taken. I also never set out a "standard" for websites, so I'm not sure what you refer to. Is there any language on my website that you think says something not true? Please point out anything that you think is misleading or "marketing hype." Also please point out flowery language. I'm always trying to improve the site and I try not to be flowery or to say anything misleading. [BTW, I call it a cantilever, because that way it will be understood by the reader, since the language has become commonplace. As I said, technically it isn't. What would suit you for my website, as long as you are critiquing it?]
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More free product samples!!
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Danny you say "Batsons have more fundamental in the tone than a McPherson", I have vaguely found that on some side ported instruments (none of them high end), but is it true for listener as well? And thanks David for more recordings. I feel like it's all there, I just need to make a wish for it , I don't generally get so lucky. Quote:
I would also like to ask you guys that, Do you accredit the niceties of your McPherson/batson/tom bills guitars to the innovations being discussed here, or do you feel that these guitars would sound same even without these innovations if they were built by same luthiers viz. McPherson/batson/tom bills. |
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1. Better access to upper frets, more upward pull on the top (which IMO gives stronger fundamentals), and that the effect on sound from the upper bout is >0, which may help by a detectable amount. It also enables me to use some construction methods I like, such as for binding and fretting the fingerboard. 2. There is a considerable body of evidence from laser interferometry about how guitar tops actually vibrate. One of the things we have learned is that the first few top modes, where the overwhelming majority of the sound power comes from, are very similar on every guitar, regardless of bracing. It is not the case that leaving the soundhole area solid enables any great reduction in the bracing required to keep the top from collapsing. But the main top mode (where most of the volume comes from) does require that a guitar to be able to flex well just above the waist. For these reasons I think any gain in output from omitting a central soundhole is going to be minor. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but it would have to be by a well designed and neutrally conducted experiment. Subjective reports from owners of the guitars in question, regardless of my respect for those people, just don't count as scientific observation.
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This Gallagher; http://www.gallagherguitar.com/ Doc Watson probably their most famous customer. Most definitely. Don't think too many guitar builders of similar size are. Matt made his fortune building archery equipment, then went into guitar building with a huge "war chest".
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You imply - whether you intended to or not - that these builders use some type of marketing trickery to hawk their designs - yet a casual comparison to your website shows similar types of claims such as "There is a lot that is out of the ordinary about my designs and construction methods." Should a visitor be as skeptical of your claims - or of authorship - as you seem to be of your competitors? As for your comment about these new guitar builders thinking they are the first to apply science (or what ever the words you used were), well it does read like something and old person would say about the next generation. Glass houses and such. I am sure your guitars are lovely. After all - I read it on your web site! (Just kidding on the last part!) |
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here: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...qh7AHMhLDLMm1A here: http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/gu...ics/modes.html and here, where you can download Howard Wright's PhD thesis; one of the best and most comnprehensive things done on the subject so far: http://www.hakwright.co.uk/thesis.html
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Thanks for these papers. I wondered how interferometry was used to measure the top vibration. You may know that I use interferometry daily in my optics work and couldn't visualize how an interferometer was used to see the top vibrating. Now I see it was with holograms way back in 1969. I'll spend some time with these papers. That paper was written 3 years after I started in optics and 7 years after I started guitar. It's cool to know this research was going in the field I work in on the passion of my life, and I'm amazed I missed it all. Thanks! David |
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Thank you Danny, David, Bobby, Howard, Sligots, Jeff - for your inputs. Thanks howard for the Sci-Literature. Welcome Long813 to the discussion.
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You guys may want to take a look at this book "Engineering the Guitar: Theory and Practice" by Richard Mark That may be found at http://xinio.info/?http://ifile.it/o53u9vt/etg.djvu (.djvu format ~5 MB) or http://xinio.info/?http://ifile.it/a...0387743685.rar(.pdf format ~27 MB) There is a rather long section about laser interferometry, and loads of info on every structural aspect of a guitar, with theory, explanations, popular beliefs and conjectures. Mitesh Last edited by archtopGeek; 03-20-2010 at 09:56 AM. |