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09-11-2014, 01:40 PM
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First carbon fiber guitar!
I decided about a month ago that I need a carbon fiber guitar, as I am frequently in environments that would be harmful to a wood guitar... I want to play, carbon is the solution. (See UPDATE at Post #26)
I ended up buying a Rainsong BI WS-1000N2 from a forum member, received it two days ago and I could not possibly be happier. I have played it around 8 hours now, and my ears are becoming accustomed to the different tone. The clarity, sustain, note separation, and intonation are simply amazing... better than any wood guitar I have ever played. Balance is very even, and harmonics are also excellent. There is a tonal quality that is different, but not in a bad or good way... just different. The playability of this N2 neck is outstanding, and I love having a cutaway (my first). All in all, what an excellent solution to real environmental problems. Reading past threads, I see there are some AGF members who are always negative about carbon fiber guitars. IF they have ever actually played one, I suspect they approached it with a closed mind to begin with... I also suspect they played for a few minutes and said "not for me"... the truth is, your ears cannot possibly understand or appreciate a new tone without sufficient play time. My ears are still learning, but I can already say I am happy with this new tone and I am glad I kept an open mind.
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_________________________________________ The Tree: I was alive in the forest, I was cut by the cruel axe. In life I was silent, In death I sweetly sing. Now back living in Baja Sur where I started my carbon fiber journey... Bend OR was too cold! Last edited by billder99; 10-23-2014 at 10:37 PM. 
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#2
09-11-2014, 01:53 PM
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Nice to know. Thinking of looking that direction in the future.
Roy
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09-11-2014, 03:41 PM
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http://energy.gov/articles/top-9-thi...t-carbon-fiber Current methods for manufacturing carbon fiber tend to be slow and energy intensive, making it costly for use in mass-produced applications.
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09-11-2014, 03:42 PM
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"AHA" Moment
I had a similar "AHA" moment, I posted about some weeks ago. I'm an old "Woody" and always thought carbon fiber guitars were "substandard", without any actual experience. Then, on a lark, I tried out a Rainsong also. Very surprised and impressed. No doubt as rare tonewoods become more difficult to obtain, CF will become more prevalent. Congrats on your purchase! I may be close behind.
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09-11-2014, 04:35 PM
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I had a Blackbird Super OM as well as an Emerald and couldn't bond with them.....then I bought a Rainsong WS3000 and boing!!!! Perfect! I feel 12 strings really benefit from the clarity and note separation they get from the carbon fiber construction....and it solves all the typical problems associated with a standard 12 string.... Can't wait to find another.
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09-11-2014, 05:21 PM
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I played bunch of guitars at a guitar center the other day. The Black Ice was easily in the top three guitars I tried that day though I really liked the J35 they had on the wall. I may be biased though because I have been playing an Emerald X20 for a while now after choosing it over a Taylor K20 and have already stepped a few feet down this road.
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09-11-2014, 05:28 PM
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The manufacturing world has barely scratched the potential of carbon fiber, and it will only grow more ubiquitous and less costly as time goes on.
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_________________________________________ The Tree: I was alive in the forest, I was cut by the cruel axe. In life I was silent, In death I sweetly sing. Now back living in Baja Sur where I started my carbon fiber journey... Bend OR was too cold!
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#9
09-11-2014, 06:29 PM
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There is a Carbon Fiber Forum here...
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...splay.php?f=48 Some long time CF players and some of us who now know the joys of carbon fiber and wood guitars! I bought a RainSong Shorty last year - love it! I used to think I was a "wood guitar" guy... found out I am a GUITAR guy.  Captain Jim
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09-11-2014, 06:57 PM
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Hey Bill....congrats!
Many top musicians are playing CF instruments, perhaps the most well known being Yo Yo Ma... http://www.luisandclark.com/yo-yo-ma/ Can't be all bad. I played a Rainsong about a year ago and was very impressed. I love Jim's comment "I used to think I was a "wood guitar" guy... found out I am a GUITAR guy.  DC
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09-11-2014, 07:02 PM
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Played several...not a fan.
I traded my Ovation years ago and I haven't missed it. Please don't try to tell me the difference between a carbon fiber and an Ovation. Neither one is made entirely of wood, that's all I care about.
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09-12-2014, 03:56 AM
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I'm a Martin guy & recently bought a Blackbird Rider Steel w/MiSi electronics from MacNichol. First carbon fiber guitar, first dealings with MacNichol. A++++++++ on both. MacNichol offered me a free bone saddle upgrade, and cut me TWO saddles. When I encountered difficulties swapping out the factory saddle, Michael put together a photo tutorial. The Rider is good enough to lead me in new, unexpected musical directions, which is what makes a guitar a good guitar.
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#13
09-12-2014, 06:04 AM
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You really haven't played until you've played a lead guitar. Yes, they're a bit heavy and you have to wear gloves, but you can't beat the tone.
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#14
09-12-2014, 07:40 AM
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09-12-2014, 07:43 AM
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A++ for Rain Song. I need to go see the factory since its on the way to Inlaws. To me the whole point of owning multiple guitars is variety. I like taking the Rain Song to church, its light, never goes out of tune, and punches through all the noise. It tends to be a sensitive P/U and have to turn away from my monitor to avoid feedback but this just tells me how sensitive the c/f is. Also I have an Emerald that's my Back Packing guitar coming in a 3#s.I t sound so good, makes Martins Backpacker sound like a childs toy. Wait, it does anyway. I would(wood) not be happy with a c/f alone though, and if I had to choose only one guitar it definitely wood be would
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