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I installed the Lyric for fun and was pleasantly surprised. I don't spend a ton of time eq'ing it so maybe I just got lucky? There are times when the tone is a but "boxy" but I actually think that's a result or older strings. It's the first pickup that I have tried where new strings make a huge difference on the tone.
The downside? My Lyric is noisy! When I plug it into my PA or powered speaker with the volume down, there's no hiss at all. As soon as I increase the volume on the Lyric to full, a fairly prominent hiss is introduced. It almost sounds as though I am hitting a boost pedal. It's unfortunate since I quite like the pickup. |
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I agree, something is probably wrong. I will record a sample and send it to Lr Baggs and see what they have to say.
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I'd ask them to exchange your current Lyric for a new one so you don't have to wonder if anything is wrong. (I wonder if the latest run of Lyrics may have been tweaked a bit since the first run?).
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If it's mono there's none of that. Still, i do like the concept and i think you'd be able to get a decent mix. My Fishman Rare Earth has a stereo output and i do send the 2 signals to different amps. Unfortunelaty it has a small condender mic on a goose that is not very usable and i have to turn all the bass down. The mag side is just ok. Obviously a mic inside a guitar suffers greatly from the over exposed boomy frequencies. That's why i thought the PZM style Lyric would be the ticket. Looks like Baggs have pre-EQed it with the pre amp. Than the rest you'd have to do yourself with another pre amp. So you're adjusting adjusted frequencies, all to get rid of stuff. Makes me think the concept doesn't work the way it is intended. When i buy an amp for instance, i want it to be almost right from the start then tweak it to my needs. My Schertler does that. As the Lyric still is a microphonic device it will carry some boxiness, or 'roundness' if you like, no matter what. Some will like it some not. As some said it probably works better in a solo setting. I was a bit put off by poster Cary (see above) who has uninstalled his Lyric 'cause he couldnt get rid of the 'honk'. He went for a condenser mic in the end with his bluegrass band. So, as many already know, a mix of 2 different sources seems the best, be it UST w Mag or something like the Anthem. I'm just not going for it unless it is already installed from the factory. There are too many pitfalls for me.. |
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For those interested, I just played my first show with the Lyric and I have come to the conclusion that it will be removed this week. At this particular show, I was lucky enough to have an amazing sound man with a great sound system. It was really the perfect place to really try the Lyric. The pickup delivered but it's just not right for me and there are two main reasons.
First off, when I first turned up the volume and started getting signal through my monitors, I noticed how bright and mid range heavy my tone was. Earlier in the day I had actually decreased the the presence control as well so this was a bit surprising. I had to almost turn the treble control on my Radial completely off. I also spent at least ten minutes playing with the two mid range controls before I got a usable sound although I wasn't completely happy with it. Secondly, it's very thin sounding. It's odd because I have watched videos from the crowd perspective and my guitar actually sounds very, very good and really natural. However, on stage the guitar just had no body. It makes me realize how important that enhanced bass is. It just sounds like my guitar went from medium gauge strings to super, super custom light strings. I know some will comment on the monitors being the issue but they were 15" Yorkville monitors that were very high end. The sound man also gave me exactly the same tone in my monitors as the crowd was hearing out front. |
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I'm a Lyric user, and have the same issues with it as you're describing. I decided to add the guitar's factory pickup fishman UST to the second ring of the Lyric and a run a stereo cable to my blender DI. I literally have the best acoustic tone I've heard with my own ears. A K&K or even cheaper JJB SBT pickup would also work and probably sound even better than a UST as a 2nd source. I have no crosstalk (which some will warn you about). I use a Proel 1/4" TRS to two 1/4" TS plugs, and it's sort of a double cable moulded into one (so the signals are only really together at the plugs). If you want to avoid that issue completely and/or like magnetic tone, that's also a great second source option to try (Dimarzio Angel is a great cheap pseudo Sunset by the way). There's also the Baggs M1 passive and M80 in passive mode to try. You might now ask, why not get the Anthem? Well I think the Lyric's tru-mic part is much better than the one on the Anthem, and you have more control with a system like mine (and the freedom to try a magnetic or SBT rather than a UST). It's head and shoulders better sounding than the Anthem in my friend's Furch/Stonebridge guitar. Please consider this, its one of the best pickup systems you can put in a guitar in this time I believe.
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I am just wondering how you used the Fishman with the Lyric? I assume you have a passive Fishman UST because wouldn't two active sources not work together? I have considered trying the Barbera soloist and adding it to the Lyric since it's passive, I am just worried about spending close to $400.00 on the Barbera only to then starting soldering it to the lyric. Here's my one problem with the lyric that I can't seem to solve; it has some noise to it. I contacted Lr Baggs and the person I spoke to just told me that all he could hear was the Lyric being turned up but it was hard to get recorded in a video. It's as if the Lyric doubles the normal hiss from my speakers but makes it sound a bit hollow. It's very, very hard to explain. I just have no idea what would be causing it. |
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In my experience, the Anthem SL has the best low end of the Tru-mic series. My understanding of the reason is that most of the low end comes from the undersaddle Element and the mic carries the balance of the tones. Even when the presence on the mic is turned all the way up, the lows still come from the Element. Anthem SL is definitely my vote.
You do have the option of adding a passive source like the K&K Pure, a passive undersaddle pup, M1 passive, or M80 in passive mode to the lyric. You'll need to use a TRS cable and it will need to be mixed outboard, but there is an input on the circuit board of the Lyric for a 2nd source to be added. I can't really speak to the noise though...mine doesn't do that. I have a Lyric in a guild M20. I wonder if there is something wrong or if the placement of the mic could be better.
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I just recently installed an Anthem followed by a DTAR dual Source in a beater guitar just to compare the two and I found that I liked the DTAR better because I thought the UST was more natural than the Element on the Anthem. Both were good though.
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Still, there's no bass in the monitors and from my perspective it sounds and feels terrible. It might sound awesome out front with a $20,000 speaker system but I can see it being terrible with my own PA system. I am very much considering pairing it with a second source because the potential is there. I was going to try the Barbera soloist so I might get it and wire it to the Lyric. |