The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 08-13-2023, 03:03 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default How to mix voice and guitar on an AER Compact 60

I have an AER Compact 60 and would like to mix voice and guitar. I could run a guitar with pickup into the guitar input and a mic into the mic input, but I'd like to mic the guitar and voice both. Is there a way to do this?
Please talk to me like I'm 14. I don't know much about this.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-13-2023, 06:07 AM
Etneccas Etneccas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2023
Posts: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookstorecowboy View Post
I have an AER Compact 60 and would like to mix voice and guitar. I could run a guitar with pickup into the guitar input and a mic into the mic input, but I'd like to mic the guitar and voice both. Is there a way to do this?
Please talk to me like I'm 14. I don't know much about this.
Why?.......
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-13-2023, 07:34 AM
Nymuso Nymuso is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,133
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etneccas View Post
Why?.......
Well, one reason would be to blend the sound of, say, a magnetic pickup with the acoustic sound of the guitar.

But to answer the OPs question, a small, inexpensive mixer would do the trick.
__________________
Some Acoustic Videos
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-13-2023, 01:01 PM
jseth jseth is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oregon... "Heart of the Valley"...
Posts: 10,831
Default

I have a small Bose T1 mixer/tone generator unit that I use with either my Bose L1 Model II or my AER Compact 60... works great and gives me a lot of control over the sound from my guitars and vocal...

Without a mixer, you could buy an in-line impedance matching transformer and plug a mic into the guitar channel... although I'm not sure how good it will sound.
__________________
"He's one of those who knows that life is just a leap of faith.
Spread your arms and hold your breath,
always trust your cape..."

"The Cape" (Guy Clark/Jim Janowsky/Susanna Clark)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-13-2023, 05:17 PM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etneccas View Post
Why?.......
Because I don't like the sound of pickups on an acoustic.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-13-2023, 05:20 PM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jseth View Post
I have a small Bose T1 mixer/tone generator unit that I use with either my Bose L1 Model II or my AER Compact 60... works great and gives me a lot of control over the sound from my guitars and vocal...

Without a mixer, you could buy an in-line impedance matching transformer and plug a mic into the guitar channel... although I'm not sure how good it will sound.
Thanks. Does the device plug into the mic input or the guitar input?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-14-2023, 09:34 AM
Al Acuff's Avatar
Al Acuff Al Acuff is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Posts: 759
Default

I play a Waterloo guitar with an Anthem SL pickup through my Compact 60 and it sounds lovely. If your acoustic pickup doesn't sound good why not replace it with something that does?
__________________
Al Acuff
Al's Folk Music Blog
Alan Acuff Music
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-14-2023, 11:43 AM
jseth jseth is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oregon... "Heart of the Valley"...
Posts: 10,831
Cool Either?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookstorecowboy View Post
Thanks. Does the device plug into the mic input or the guitar input?
It depends upon which type you buy... the type with a female XLR would affix to your mic cord and then have a 1/4" plug.

The point of it is to "transform" and match the piece of equipment to the input wanted/needed. There are line-matching transformers that "step up" the signal so it works with a high-impedance input, and others that "step-down" the signal for a mic/xlr input...

They are fairly inexpensive, so, worth a try to see if it gives you what you want. They are also good items to have around for any future use, as well...

I do second the reply to get a pickup that gives you more of what you want to hear; the result will be much better than attempting to "fix" a pickup that is "less-than"...
__________________
"He's one of those who knows that life is just a leap of faith.
Spread your arms and hold your breath,
always trust your cape..."

"The Cape" (Guy Clark/Jim Janowsky/Susanna Clark)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-14-2023, 12:19 PM
Br1ck Br1ck is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: San Jose, Ca
Posts: 6,947
Default

While you can use a mixer, I think what you want is not what the AER was meant to do. I'd get a PA speaker or two. The AER also sounds best to me in a big room.
__________________
2007 Martin D 35 Custom
1970 Guild D 35
1965 Epiphone Texan
2011 Santa Cruz D P/W
Pono OP 30 D parlor
Pono OP12-30
Pono MT uke
Goldtone Paul Beard squareneck resophonic
Fluke tenor ukulele
Boatload of home rolled telecasters

"Shut up and play ur guitar" Frank Zappa
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-14-2023, 12:56 PM
Jinder Jinder is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 330
Default

I’d suggest that you run a condenser mic or SM57 style dynamic into the mic channel, then run a dynamic vocal mic into the instrument channel with an XLR-Jack lead. There is plenty of gain available on the instrument channel as it’s designed for any and all pickups, both low and high output, and has a pad to adapt for different gain requirements.

This isn’t how AER designed the amp to work, but I see no reason why it wouldn’t get you to where you want to be.

I’m a huge fan of AER. Huge. My Compact 60/4 is my favourite ever gear purchase, more so than any of my guitars even. I never play without mine. It’s a marvellous single source sound reinforcement setup, and for bigger gigs a brilliant DI, sidefill monitor and preamp. I love singing through it, too.

One thing the C60 excels at, though, is making reasonable acoustic pickups sound great. If you’re struggling to get a sound you like, I’d bet that you would get more mileage from changing your pickup rather than juggling two mics onstage.
__________________
'67 Gibson J45 (K&K)
‘81 Eko Ranger IV (weird factory Electra pickup)
'95 Gibson Dove (MagMic)
‘97 Martin D18GE (Sunrise)
‘01 Takamine EAN46C (Palathetic and CT4B)
'02 Takamine EAN20C (Palathetic and CT4BII)
'15 Gibson SJ200 Standard (Sunrise)
‘19 Vintage Paul Brett Viator VC Classical
‘20 Sigma CF-100 copy (Sunrise)

Capos by G7th, amplification by AER.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-14-2023, 05:46 PM
rockabilly69 rockabilly69 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ogden, Utah
Posts: 4,062
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookstorecowboy View Post
I have an AER Compact 60 and would like to mix voice and guitar. I could run a guitar with pickup into the guitar input and a mic into the mic input, but I'd like to mic the guitar and voice both. Is there a way to do this?
Please talk to me like I'm 14. I don't know much about this.
Well what kind of gigs are you going to be doing with the AER?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-15-2023, 05:00 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Acuff View Post
I play a Waterloo guitar with an Anthem SL pickup through my Compact 60 and it sounds lovely. If your acoustic pickup doesn't sound good why not replace it with something that does?
I have the same pickup and it does appear to be the best of its kind, but it doesn't come close to a good microphone, to my ears.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-15-2023, 05:45 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockabilly69 View Post
Well what kind of gigs are you going to be doing with the AER?
Hopefully local bars and coffee houses. But the sound quality issue is more about my own needs than it is the needs of the audience, who probably couldn't care less.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-15-2023, 05:48 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinder View Post
I’d suggest that you run a condenser mic or SM57 style dynamic into the mic channel, then run a dynamic vocal mic into the instrument channel with an XLR-Jack lead. There is plenty of gain available on the instrument channel as it’s designed for any and all pickups, both low and high output, and has a pad to adapt for different gain requirements.

This isn’t how AER designed the amp to work, but I see no reason why it wouldn’t get you to where you want to be.

I’m a huge fan of AER. Huge. My Compact 60/4 is my favourite ever gear purchase, more so than any of my guitars even. I never play without mine. It’s a marvellous single source sound reinforcement setup, and for bigger gigs a brilliant DI, sidefill monitor and preamp. I love singing through it, too.

One thing the C60 excels at, though, is making reasonable acoustic pickups sound great. If you’re struggling to get a sound you like, I’d bet that you would get more mileage from changing your pickup rather than juggling two mics onstage.
Thanks! I don't however think any pickup is going to be what I want. I've tried all the highest-rated ones and they don't sound right to me.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-15-2023, 06:12 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 192
Default

So I can just run both mics into the AER, using different kinds of cables for them. I see. I don't need a mixer, then. I can just use the separate volume settings and simple bass/treble controls.
Thank you. A very simple solution! I have ordered the other kind of cable.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=