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Petty1818 how many positions did you try?
If I remember well Doug tried many (one per day) for few days before ending close to Gryphon's favorite position. He recorded and post samples that show that 1/16" alters the tone significantly. He also reported that Teddy Rendazzo has a system to continuously change position showing a wah wan effect with position. Finally he ended with the conclusion that red tape was better and that you could try by glueing only for 5 Minutes and do it again until sweet spot is found. (Gryphon's inspired) all the more Maury reported that lack of bass was usually due to short clamping time. I say that because I will soon begin my own installation so I follow this thread with much interest.
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Trance Audio Amulet M Dual Mono M-VT Tone Control Demo
Here's a demo of the tone control range of the Trance Audio Amulet M Dual Mono M-VT. No external EQ or Effects were used in making this flatpick-strummed recording. Follow the link: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...15&postcount=1
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I am currently making a new saddle and will test again. I did test earlier today through my full PA and my sound was almost what you would expect from a passive system. The high end in particular had no body to it. I think I am at the point where moving the transducers will be a must for this system to work. I am thinking though that I will start first with the treble side and then clamp it and test instead of moving both at the same time. Could just be that the treble side transducer is a tad too close to the saddle. |
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I'd only move the transducers not more than 1/16" closer to the soundhole and listen for the difference. Whether you keep the transducers where they are now or move them slightly, work with guitar for a day or two to hear what you can get out of it with or without EQing.
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I do think the VT module affects the plugged-in tone (not the acoustic tone). But I found it to be positive. The tone control has a really nice effect and gives you more control over the sound. It's a little bit of a dilemma for me, because I don't like having the controls on the guitar, I just like things simple, and I control sound on external devices, but I think the sound is better with the VT module... Could be my imagination, it's hard to AB compare because it's a bit of work to install/uninstall.
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By the way, I have followed some of your Amulet M posts and it sounds like you have tried everything from using the jig to simply sticking the transducers into place by feeling for the bridge pins. I also read the one thread where you moved the transducers around to find the best spot and the results were quite different. I used the jig but my guitar still sounds a bit thin and bright. I am considering moving the transducers towards the sound hole a bit, would this be a worthwhile experiment? |
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I think you can just buy the VT module. Check with Maury. I've moved the transducers several times, fine-tuning. It can make a difference, but it depends on how bright and thin you're getting. Hopefully, your not installing in a guitar had a K&K before - that's what I ran into, and it's apparently impossible to fix. Otherwise, yes, I'd try moving them and see if it helps. The VT also takes a lot of edge off.
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Are you saying it it impossible to install the system after a K&K is removed because of the remaining glue and/or the glue that has seeped into the bridge plate. If that is the case it sounds like replacing the bridge plate is the only option. Not very cost effective.
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It changes my perception of how "invasive" a K&K install is. You'd want to be sure you really want them before glueing them in, because you are doing something to the guitar that's pretty permanent, even if you remove the pickups. Someone here has reported they were able to sand down the bridge plate and make it work, tho, so your mileage may vary. I have been able to install a Dazzo over a previous K&K install, with no apparent problem.
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I am contemplating having the bridge plate swapped out and trying the Amulet.
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Thanks Doug. We do stock the soundhole volume wheel and "volume + tone" wheel add-ons for Trance systems ... both in the 9V and Phantom versions. You can make any Amulet M into an MV or MVT at any time, and vice-versa.
I was the one who sanded off bridgeplate glue after a K&K removal. I had to sand a bunch, but my guitar sounds great to me. I will admit, I believe Gary about the residual glue and I do suspect my guitar would sound even better with a virgin bridgeplate. But yes, my post K&K was a success. YMMV.
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Have you listened to my demo of the Trance Amulet M Dual Mono M-VT Tonewheel's effect on tone? My so-called "balanced" position sounds a bit bright to me and that tone can be adjusted by a nudge of the Tonewheel toward the Bass-end of the wheel's travel. To hear the tone you want in a given playing situation, just repeatedly strum the guitar (a first-position G-chord and D-chord are good) and slowly move the Tonewheel while listening for when all frequencies come into what you consider a pleasing balance. The M-VT module/wire-harness can be ordered and added to your current Trance M system for about $40 (see Maury's post). I encourage everyone buying a Trance Amulet M Dual Mono system to buy the M-VT option for $319. Not only do you get an unobtrusive soundhole module with Volume and Tone controls but it also has a battery indicator light that will warn you when the battery is getting low and will easily enable enough time to finish a gig before replacing the battery later at home. Martin HD-28 with Trance Audio Amulet M-VT Tone Control Demo
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