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I've been gigging the last year with a Fishman Artist and recently added an Electro-Voice ZLX 112P powered speaker, along with an Allen & Heath zedi-10fx mixer. The EV speaker is very clean sounding and has tons more headroom than the Fishman, which has to be cranked up hard in most venues,
which sounds okay, but the depth & character of the tone with the larger EV speaker is WAY better. The plan is to later add a 2nd ZLX12P, but using just one has been amazing so far. The Fishman still comes out for use as a monitor, still love it but honestly it's borderline on it's own. The EV 112P was $349 online. Worth a look based on your need...
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The problem I see with a powered speaker is that if it does not have eq and effects, then you need a mixer, more cables, and another power outlet. This is one of the reasons that led me to looking into the Line6 L2T.
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Thanks for all your replies. I truely appreciate your input. Not sure yet the direction I will go. Kind of leaning toward a QSC 8.2. From all the reviews, it looks like I can’t go wrong. I believe it will work well with just my TX Helicon Play Acoustic. Since the speaker has a great EQ, I think this should work well without a mixer. Nice compact setup but able to get loud if needed without losing too much.
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My dog runs downstairs to the farthest corner of the house when I use my Fishman Mini as a PA. Its piezo must really be out of control. I noticed when a restaurant recorded our trio one night, there was a high freq artifact on the recording that was wayy high pitch. At least the Artist has a control to roll off the piezo.
That said, the Mini sounds better to me than an Alto Trouper, which has muddy lower mids and inadequate lows below 100Hz. Honestly. I demoed a cheap Behringer powered speaker with a horn and a 15 inch woofer and that had a hyped but..." Holy eff is that me" kind of rocknrollstar tone. Very open and deeeep in the bass. I will say that buying PA stuff is difficult because as soon as you push past entry level budget stuff, the options are endless. If I didnt have the Mini I would not buy... I would go powered monitor for sure. Last edited by Tommy_G; 01-13-2018 at 11:07 PM. |
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Is the reason for putting the speaker high over your head to eliminate feedback or to push the sound deeper into the room? If it's a small bar with say 25 people, could you just leave the speaker on the floor angled up or at waist height?
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When the speaker is high and behind, the sound for the most part passes just over the head of the performer on it's way out to the room. Also the performer's head and body act as a shield that raises the gain before feedback threshold for both the mic and guitar--usually enough in a small venue to give you more than enough volume for the room. And of course no monitor is needed because in that position the performer can usually hear more than enough of themselves. Sometimes a little more gain before feedback can be squeezed out with the speaker behind and to one side, especially on the neck side of the guitar and with a supercardioid or hypercardioid mic that has good side rejection. But when volume needs get above the threshold or the tolerance of the performer's ears, the speaker needs to be out front and some sort of monitor becomes necessary. Louis |
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Firing sound into a room is like firing an arrow into a room. Each frequency is directional, and it falls as it travels (and drifts on the wind if you are out-of-doors). High frequency falls quicker than midrange which falls faster than bass frequencies. Advantages to elevating speakers range from covering a balcony, or reaching the back of the room with better sound, and not firing the bass frequencies into the people in the front rows (which can reduce the bass substantially). Better designed cabinets control the dispersion of the sound better so you don't have a single 'hot' line of sound coming out of cabinets, but rather the sound is shaped like a waffle cone (ice cream cone) with the point of the cone emerging from the speaker and the rounded end of the cone pointed toward the center of the back of a room. A by product of firing cabinets from above and from behind is they serve as monitors and you know exactly what's coming out of the speakers. This is a very brief description, and it's really applicable to average rooms/venues. |
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You have a great mixer, so I would say powered speaker.
I'm not convinced you need to spend $500-600 to get decent sound. A venue I play recently bought a pair of these, and they sound great: https://www.guitarcenter.com/Alto/TX...00000205828.gc I have a pair of Behringer B208D speakers and I'm quite happy with the sound: https://www.guitarcenter.com/Behring...74115050354.gc I bought mine used, but If I were to do it again, and if I were buying new, I'd probably get the 10" or 12" version. I would recommend getting a speaker stand or stands, so you can raise the speakers above the heads of those in front. They don't have to cost a fortune. I have these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 What ever you buy, go listen to them first if you can. If you have a Guitar Center store nearby they usually stock a pretty representative selection of powered speakers. Also, avoid the big, cheap 15" speakers because they usually sound like crap, with muddy mid-ranges.
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You can look used, or try a QSC CP8, which is $100 under your budget. At least one user here (jonfields45?) uses one.
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Watch Craigslist, you are quite likely to find people moving their first gen QSC K-series speakers, and in your price range. I'd say QSC are definitely among the best live-performance speakers for average players; audiophiles sneer at them a fair amount, but they also tend to hate Bose even more, so you can decide how much that matters to you. |
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Yup that's me. It works well and has better bass response than the 10"powered speaker it replaced (we use it for bass guitar for about a third of our repertoire). Speaker size, and speaker throw (never quoted), and cabinet design (hard to brag about), are the three big variables in bass response. I would not get so carried away with woofer size.
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Marty,
I play similar size gigs, shopped around, and just ordered a Fishman Loudbox Artist BT from Sweetwater. Didn't really need the Bluetooth but when he offered it to me for $549 (after asking for best price) (GC is $649) I decided to buy it. Did quite a bit of shopping this past week and the other one I considered was $490 Used/Mint on Reverb (SamAsh) with Sam Ash 1 year warranty (NO Bluetooth). Like you, I sought guidance from AGF folks and there's a lot of love on AGF for the Fishman Loudbox Artist. Good luck in your search! |
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Either a mixer with effects or a unit like the TCH Play Acoustic, which gives you all the effects you need and then just plug into the powered speaker. I would only add a mixer if you needed more channels.
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I do also find the addition of a little mixer gives me a lot more headroom out of my powered speaker, as opposed to just going straight into the speaker with a mic and guitar input.
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