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10-03-2005, 08:54 PM
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Stereo Signal path help needed.
Ok guys, here is what i want... I need help.
I have two pickups installed in my acoustic guitar. K&K pure and LR-baggs Element. (SBT and UST) I have these pickups hooked up to go out on an endpin jack one to tip and the other to the ring, or left and right. what I want to do is to split the signal from these two pickups once the signal leaves the guitar endpin jack and have these signals go through separate preamps (effects and mic-pre) so that i can shape each signal differently, instead of only being able to apply general EQ and blend control. I was thinking of using insert cable ("Y" TRS) and physically splitting the signal, but is there any other way to do this? are they any signal splitters that can actually split the signal left and right. (not the ones that multiply the signal, cuz then, it would not be splitting signals from each pickup) I am open to other suggestions that could result in change in my setup as well... let me know guys... 
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10-03-2005, 10:15 PM
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Two options come readily to mind: A - A ''Y'' type cable which comes out of the endpin and then splits into two mono cables. B - A dual channel preamp/blender like the DTAR Solstice, or K&K Quantum which use a stereo cable in and gives one separate control over each channel, and includes phantom power for internal mics. The Solstice also includes XLRs in (as well as 1/4'').
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10-04-2005, 12:07 AM
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thanks for the reply Larry.
I already have preamps. I just need a splitter. And as far as I know, DTAR solstice has two separate inputs for each channel. So i still have to use the Y cable. Does K&K Quantum feature two separate outputs as well? cuz i need to get the signals through my effects, mic-pre, compressor, and EQ separately as well. I am trying to find ways to split the signal without using Y cable, cuz it might not always be available. I play live all the time. And in my live rack, i have a dual mic-pre (ART TPS ii) which is used as a DI, dual Comp, Klark Teknik DN-405 (single channel 5 band para-EQ) and T.C.Electronics M300 used for my effects processing. I let my guitar sound go through all this processing before sending it to the house console. Last edited by velvin; 10-04-2005 at 12:14 AM.
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10-04-2005, 06:57 AM
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Good news...it is not that way. A story: Specifically on a DTAR Solstice, each of the 1/4'' inputs on the front of the Solstice takes a stereo cable (TRS). We found this out when a friend who was using Raven Preamps & a professionally custom hand built ''Y'' cable for his pickup/mic tried it on his new Solstice and it would not work...the mic power was dead...on both his Olson and Bashkin. He took it to our luthier's shop, and they were in the process of trying to troubleshoot it when I arrived. Nothing would activate the phantom to the mic using his Y into both channels. Then after 90 minutes we finally read the instruction booklet...plugged in a simple stereo cable, used only one input on the front of the Solstice and it worked fine. His guitars were wired with a stereo end jack out, then split with his cable. The two 1/4'' mono cables split from the single stereo source caused the mic to short when both were inserted into the Solstice's TRS input jacks simultaneously. The Solstice is built to accept a stereo cable in either jack, or two independently wired mono ones. Had my friend used two mono jacks out, it would have worked fine with his ''Y''...but it was an unthinkable alteration to either his Olson or Bashkin. Using a stereo cable was simpler. Effects... Most of the preamp/blenders I've worked with have an effects loop with volume control on it separately. The Quantum requires you to use a split stereo (''Y'') to run effects, and offers no volume control over the effects loop. It is also layed out with channels side by side rather than one over the other, which makes it awkward for my usage. The sound of the Quantum is among the best sounding preamp/blenders out there...definitely rivals Raven, Solstice, and Pendulum for quality, but lacks features.
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10-04-2005, 08:42 AM
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1) How do you connect the separate source signals (UST and SBT) to a microphone preamp (the ART) and get it to work well? 2) How do you use a single channel eq with a stereo system?
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10-05-2005, 09:38 PM
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has all the wiring to the tip only. The other pickup (UST) is baggs Element. I wired it to the ring side of the endpin plug that was already in my guitar. There is a very slight phase problem but it's not too bad. When I tested this setup with an insert(Y) cable, i had good enough result. I don't understand why it wouldn't. 2) I have only recently installed the element pickup. I used the second channel of my mic-pre and comp for the vocal. I am soon buying a 31-band EQ to fully equip myself for full-stereo operation so that i can acomplish what i'm asking you guys about. I am going to route vocal signal directly to house now.
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