World population

[KevWind]

..... "It" is simply a matter of the amazing ability of some who have crafted an unassailable wall of cherry picked out of context facts and examples. Usually the result of a process of ingesting significant amounts of the widespread onslaught of agenda driven cherry picked out of context pseudoscience, presented and couched in the guise of real science, logic, common sense, ect.

A hallmark of this type of belief system is finding instances of inaccuracy of theory or prediction (and the prototypical real sciences resulting change of theory), as a reason to reject the vast amount of concurrent accurate theory, prediction, and findings , that conflicts with their beliefs

Often those with such beliefs systems hold the uncanny ability to accurately identify as negative traits in reasoning etc. that are (in reality) most well reflected in the mirror, yet unfailingly assign (often mistakenly) those traits, to any who question the validity of their views.

Thus Rikers confusion, while it is true that it takes a certain amount of reasoning to exist in todays world
"IT" by no means need be "objective"

Also often people with such beliefs system become frustrated when those who disagree do not become enamored with there reasoning. Again they mistakenly see in the opposition, their own emotional investment in "being right" which they genuinely delude themselves into believing is an intellectual investment in seeking truth.


For example this observation by Herb is in reality a very perceptive observation yet no doubt will simply be ignored and dismissed by some.
"Wow. Just wow". That can be the response of one who is stunned by the contents of a post to the point of speechlessness. Alternatively, it can mean that, even though one can readily rebut, one neither has the time nor patience but chooses to at least express one’s astonishment.

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by Herb Hunter

"Wow. Just wow". That can be the response of one who is stunned by the contents of a post to the point of speechlessness. Alternatively, it can mean that, even though one can readily rebut, one neither has the time nor patience but chooses to at least express one’s astonishment.

It's a John McEnroe "You can NOT be SERious, man!!" surely. It's angry and contemptuous and attempts to beat another into submission by making them feel inadequate, immoral or stupid. I also think that if we do not have the time or patience to give a calm and reasoned answer, then we should wait until we do, rather than come out with this unpleasant sneer.

[kydave]

Originally Posted by ewalling

It's a John McEnroe "You can NOT be SERious, man!!" surely. It's angry and contemptuous and attempts to beat another into submission by making them feel inadequate or stupid. I also think that if we do not have the time or patience to give a calm and reasoned answer, then we should wait until we do, rather than come out with this unpleasant sneer.

But sometimes, it's obvious that a reasoned answer is like spitting into the wind, and sometimes it becomes a matter of (see bold) "If the shoe fits..."

The "Wow!" is an appropriately exasperated expression of incredulity.

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by kydave

But sometimes, it's obvious that a reasoned answer is like spitting into the wind, and sometimes it becomes a matter of (see bold) "If the shoe fits..."

The "Wow!" is an appropriately exasperated expression of incredulity.

Well, if someone were to say something genuinely outrageous, like being left-handed is a sign of the 'evil one' or that we might consider the reintroduction of slavery to boost the economy, then okay, perhaps a "Wow!" is the only reasonable response. However, in the vast majority of cases here, "Just wow" seems to be little more than an inarticulate attempt to ridicule opposing ideas.

[Herb Hunter]

Originally Posted by ewalling

Well, if someone were to say something genuinely outrageous, like being left-handed is a sign of the 'evil one' or that we might consider the reintroduction of slavery to boost the economy, then okay, perhaps a "Wow!" is the only reasonable response. However, in the vast majority of cases here, "Just wow" seems to be little more than an inarticulate attempt to ridicule opposing ideas.

Climate change is a phenomenon not an idea.

The post that elicited the wow response was; to the South Pacific islanders having to emigrate because their island has become uninhabitable, or to the Inuit who can’t hunt on the ice anymore, or to denizens of El Alto, Bolivia having to ration water; outrageous.

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by Herb Hunter

Climate change is a phenomenon not an idea.

You know exactly what was meant. Okay, ideas about climate change.

Churchill's 'pedantry' and 'up with which' quotation at work here ...

[Herb Hunter]

Originally Posted by ewalling

You know exactly what was meant. Okay, ideas about climate change.

Churchill's 'pedantry' and 'up with which' quotation at work here ...

I’m sorry but I thought it important to make the distinction I made even though, to some, it went without saying.

[Otterhound]

Originally Posted by Herb Hunter

Climate change is a phenomenon not an idea.

The post that elicited the wow response was; to the South Pacific islanders having to emigrate because their island has become uninhabitable, or to the Inuit who can’t hunt on the ice anymore, or to denizens of El Alto, Bolivia having to ration water; outrageous.

The irony of this is that my post was self deprecating .
No one person own words and speech outside of a copyright and I certainly don't own WOW , just WOW .
Some folks just need to step back take themselves a bit less seriously .
As to climate change .
It has existed since the formation of this orb and likely will not stop .
The attempt to profit and control others with this term is a fairly new phenomenon that is based in human dishonesty instead of scientific fact .
Those that are aware of this will never be fooled .
Thus the attempt to silence them .
If you truly believe that the Earth's climate will cease to change with the elimination of the human race you are already beyond reason .
Keep in mind that there was a time when those South Pacific islands did not exist .
A time when the home of the Inuit was not a frozen land .
A time when the Sahara was green .
Change is inevitable just as human arrogance is .

[kydave]

Originally Posted by Otterhound

The irony of this is that my post was self deprecating .
No one person own words and speech outside of a copyright and I certainly don't own WOW , just WOW .
Some folks just need to step back take themselves a bit less seriously .
As to climate change .
It has existed since the formation of this orb and likely will not stop .
The attempt to profit and control others with this term is a fairly new phenomenon that is based in human dishonesty instead of scientific fact .
Those that are aware of this will never be fooled .
Thus the attempt to silence them .
If you truly believe that the Earth's climate will cease to change with the elimination of the human race you are already beyond reason .
Keep in mind that there was a time when those South Pacific islands did not exist .
A time when the home of the Inuit was not a frozen land .
A time when the Sahara was green .
Change is inevitable just as human arrogance is .

You seem to be attempting to ignore, or even belittle, the fact that THIS PARTICULAR BIT OF CLIMATE CHANGE is now occurring due to man made introductions to the climate. Thus it is (if not past the tipping point) potentionally correctable.

[Herb Hunter]

The scientists that have described and studied present global warming are the same ones who have identified and studied past climate changes. We have a good idea of what caused past changes, the rates of change and the consequences thereof. The current change is different and scientists know that because they’ve studied previous changes. Thus the assumption that they are ignoring past changes is, therefore, rather odd. So much has been written about what distinguishes current global warming from previous such events.

To dismiss current climate change because there have been periodic changes in the past would be like having dismissed the so-called Spanish flu merely because people had suffered colds in the past.

[Glennwillow]

I have read through this entire discussion, and have decided to close it now.

- Glenn