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I'll take a Taylor any day over anything else out there. I've played them all over and over...but Taylor is hands down the best, including in the tone department.
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Same for me. Granted, my 814 was a little bright when I got it 12 years ago. At present, the bottom end is rib rattling and it's a loud and balanced guitar that is my favorite.
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I had a 2002 Taylor 410 that went to bluegrass jams a lot during its tenure with me. I often described it as "...a D-18 sound character with far better playability and intonation...". The GP may not be your best choice for bluegrass use. Try it and see before giving up. I actually take my carbon fiber guitars most often to bluegrass jams. If the purists get their panties in a bunch, it's not my problem. Before you give up, try different strings and especially different flat picks.
Those of us that have been around the Taylor brand for a while think that the apex of their tone was the AP bracing that predated the "V". I don't recall exactly what years that was. My 410 was a well-aged, X-braced guitar. It is not clear that you can get that voice any longer in this era of universal V-bracing. (Yeah, I went there). |
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To me, one of the reasons why Taylors probably seem bright is their low action from the factory. Also, the opposite for Martins with high action.
I've owned several high-end Taylors and for all of them, I put in a new saddle that raised up the action, and suddenly they had a lot more bass — mainly because I could attack the lower strings with more force without buzzing the strings. Give them higher action, and suddenly they don't sound bright, but rather more balanced across low/mid/high. I don't think you can turn a Taylor into a Martin, but if you can sacrifice that "electric guitar action" that Taylors are known for, you get a much fuller acoustic sound. That said, for a lot of Taylor customers, they are there for the plugged-in sound, so why not have low action, since you can just turn up the bass knob to compensate? Food for thought, anyway. |
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Alright, I know I am old and weird, so keep that in mind…
If I feel a guitar tone does not suit my taste, but it plays well, I change strings. I have had many Taylors that I felt were more to my taste after using warmer sounding strings. My Breedlove needed brighter strings, The Eastman Jumbo was right in the middle, and the all Koa Takamine simply likes good quality strings of most types. String material and gauge make tone changes. So there…… |
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I've become a big Taylor fan this year. I've bought four (3 used and one new). I haven't been a big fan of the spruce topped models I've played. I sold the one spruce top I purchased. I have two hog tops and a cedar top and love their tone and playability. The used 2015 322 might actually be my favorite guitar that I own. Having said that,my other guitars aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I love variety.
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The 417e is rosewood back and sides so it would be brighter than mahogany. I'd say try other strings. Try the Martin MA-540 set and maybe also the M-140 set.
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Taylor brightness (guitar or player....)
I like Taylors a lot, at least the X-braced ones. And I do not find them too "bright". They don't even have a light bulb inside them. My 818e rosewood Grand Orchestra had overwhelming bass sounds, so in late 2014 I switched the Mediums {.013 - .056} out for the Elixir PB HD Light gauge {.013 - .053}, which resulted in a nicely balanced sound. Now I use the HD gauge on most of my six stringed guitars. I also fingerpick all my guitars using my nails as picks, and I find this also contributes to a sound I like. BTW, If a guitar is too "bright", how many lumens does it produce? Now that's a measurable quality. The guitar's so bright, I gotta wear shades. Oh wait; I think that was about the future, not a guitar. Don, .
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I really like Taylor's tonal DNA personally, especially for fingerstyle. I used to have a sapele top Martin, and as much as they have a charming tone, it just wouldn't do it for me overall. Many "darker" sounding guitars remind me of that, and so I lean more toward wider dynamic range paired with some sparkle and treble. I understand that not everyone likes Taylor's treble forward tone and that is okay.
i do agree with others though that the Taylor's which grab my attention the most are the X braced versions, even the cheaper ones from the Academy, 100 and 200 series over the C and V Class braced guitars I've tried so far.
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Gave Taylor an honest shot, a while back. Couldn't make 'em work for me. Good news, More Taylor's for you. |
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I’d suggest that if you are comparing Taylor’s tone with other guitar brands and you primarily flatpick or strum, your pick selection and attack will probably have more bearing on whether your guitar sounds bright or dark/warm.
If you play solo fingerstyle, the x12 series Taylors are all quite good IMO/IME if you want the melody to really stand out.
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Taylor: "The Necks Generation"
From a previous post:
I remember when this was Taylor's slogan back in the 80s.. they gained rapid popularity for their playability.. I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but I was a Guild and Martin guy - and although Taylor offered what so many players wanted: easy to play necks, to me some necks felt a bit too shallow (low profile) and also many guitars, although beautiful, seemed a bit sterile .. a little too precise.. even their dreadnoughts lacked a full dread voice IMO. I got a new sense from present day (Andy Powers influenced) models about a year ago. I played an X Braced 2017 (pre-VClass) 324e (Tropical Mahogany top/Tasmanian Blackwood b&s) with an a-typical chunkier (old Martin style) neck shape...very familiar/comfortable, still played great, dead-on intonation, satin finish (love that), no bling, the sound (voice) blew me away and I became a Taylor owner nearly 40 years after I first played one. I'd still own that guitar if a hadn't been struck by the thunderbolt of a 2022 Martin D-18 1935 Sunburst last November. No trade-in remorse. On a side note: I still struggle with trying to understand tone described as "bright". I know I am by no means alone. I'm not suggesting I have a better word. I wish I did. My most reasonable interpretation is "clear". Which for me is a plus. That is all. I'm putting the can-o-worms opener back in the cupboard and stepping away slowly. Last edited by FingahPickah; 10-18-2023 at 10:00 AM. |
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I used to have Taylors for this, but I migrated to Breedloves (the modern, post-bridge-truss ones) for fingerstyle because they have a bigger low end. Mainly this is because they are lighter builds with deeper scalloping on the bracing and thinner tops, plus they are tap-tone hand-voiced for all their Oregon-built models, even the lower-end ones. The sound is a little more direct and less shimmery than most Taylors. Yeah, "bright" is one of those words that can mean different things but mostly people seem to use it as a shorthand for "EQ is tilted toward the trebles and voicing is tilted toward clarity / note separation". I think that's a fair characterization of most Taylors, less so with the short scale and hardwood top models. |
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bluegrass, brightness, new strings, taylor |
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