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Old 09-04-2015, 09:39 AM
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Question 912c and 612c

i happen to drop by the LGS to play their new Gibson SJ-200
which i really liked, until i saw the price, definitely out of my comfort range

while browsing some "used" consignments, i played the taylot 612c, and taylor 912c. both sounded like they were lacking mids and the warm sound that i am use to.

i really liked the looks of the 914c, with its abalone around the body, but i already have an 814ce which i really like, and that one sounds much fuller to me.
i was thinking back to the smaller body Martins that i have played in the past, and they did sound flatter, lacking some mids and bass of the larger bodies.
the low key sales guy told me, that is what you get in these smaller bodied
guitars.

perhaps its just me

any thoughts??
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:46 AM
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The sales guy was right. With smaller bodies (Taylor GC or -12 and GA or -14) you will give up some bass and maybe even some low mids. Especially so for the 612, which is maple. The whole point of the Grand Concert size is have a more balanced sound overall, rather than a bass-heavy boom from a dreadnought or jumbo. It is a function of the volume of the body itself as much as anything, but is influenced by wood choice and building techniques. Taylors have a reputation for being bright and crisp, while Martin has the reputation for being skewed toward the bass end, even with the smaller 000 and 00 bodies.

You cannot generally get the bold low end of a J-200 or a dreadnought with smaller bodies - which is why the larger sizes were developed. Only you can decide which one you prefer.
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:54 AM
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The sales guy was right. With smaller bodies (Taylor GC or -12 and GA or -14) you will give up some bass and maybe even some low mids. Especially so for the 612, which is maple. The whole point of the Grand Concert size is have a more balanced sound overall, rather than a bass-heavy boom from a dreadnought or jumbo. It is a function of the volume of the body itself as much as anything, but is influenced by wood choice and building techniques. Taylors have a reputation for being bright and crisp, while Martin has the reputation for being skewed toward the bass end, even with the smaller 000 and 00 bodies.

You cannot generally get the bold low end of a J-200 or a dreadnought with smaller bodies - which is why the larger sizes were developed. Only you can decide which one you prefer.

thanks earl for the input
yeah, my 000-28EC is a smaller, compared with the Jumbo, OM and dreadnought, but sounds much bassier than those two Taylors at the LGS.
if they are still there, i might give them another audition.
i think the 612c will definitely be there, as it isnt priced to move, but the 912c definitely is, as they are both consignments, the owner needs to decide what to do. i think the 612c has been there at least 3 months.
but, i definitely like the new gibson sj200, but currently my financial commitments dont allow it.

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Old 09-05-2015, 10:16 AM
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I have a 90's 612 C and it's got great tone. The newer ones, 2000's or so, after the design change with the NT neck, sound thinner to me.

Not that the NT neck is the reason for the change in tone, just that the other design changes made at the same time changed "The Taylor Sound".

Just my less than humble opinion.
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Old 09-07-2015, 07:34 AM
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I have a 90's 612 C and it's got great tone. The newer ones, 2000's or so, after the design change with the NT neck, sound thinner to me.

Not that the NT neck is the reason for the change in tone, just that the other design changes made at the same time changed "The Taylor Sound".

Just my less than humble opinion.
bernie

the 912c consignment at the LGS is a 1994. it is not mint, which probably means it was played a lot, but its in pretty good shape and priced fairly, but definitely not a bargain.
it just doesn't have the "warmth" of my 2012 814ce, my first impression was that it sounded a bit "harsh" to me. usually when i actually acquire a guitar, i try to play it a bunch of times to make sure, its what i want.
if it is still there, i think i will give it another audition.

i actually would like the Gibson SJ-200, but the price is way out of my budget
range, a used one might be a consideration.

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