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"Glen, it's just not true. A ball-end string exerts exactly the same tension as the equivalent tension tie-end string. Honestly."
Garthman speaks truth!
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really tho balls??? its not hard to make the knot |
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Other than filing the nut grooves to allow for the thicker nylons, what other modifications have you done? |
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Oh, and remember that nylon strings usually have a greater amplitude of vibration than steel ones so if the action of the guitar is low you might get some string buzz - easily solved by shimming the saddle. |
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I realize some players use the ball-end strings because they are much easier to install, and have not yet figured out the correct strings for their guitar. Even string manufacturers promote the use of ball-end strings on a classical guitar, but I feel this is a disservice as the overall quality of plain-end strings far exceeds their ball-end equivalent. And one final thought...if ball-end strings could produce a better sound, logic would tell you that most classical guitarists would be using them, yet...they don't. Anyone using ball-end strings on a classical guitar, is telling the world...I'm lazy & stupid!!! That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Glen
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Ball end strings are OK - really, honestly, no fingers crossed. And the quality of ball-end strings is the same as the loop-end ones. Guess what? - the string maker just sticks a ball on the end of the loop-end ones. Yep. Oh! And did I mention that a ball-end string has exactly the same tension as the equivalent loop-end string? |
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You can always do what I did. Buy some bridge beads for your nylon strings. Basically, your own reusable ball-ends for your nylon strings. You attach them off the guitar, then string them up like a regulat ball-end string. No more tying around the block and risks of damaging the top from a slip.
Sounds better, to me, then a traditional tie, is much easier to work with then trying to tie it off and I've had them installed for quite a while with no ill effects. Traditional? No... Better? My opinion, yes.... Ugly? I think they look fine, but have gotten some..er.. colorful comments, lol. There are different brands, these are the ones I use: http://www.bridgebonebeads.com/bridgebonebeads.html Here is a picture of them on my guitar:
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"fossilized" string balls..
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Garth, I'm sorry my logic has not convinced you, but I did some further searches yesterday, and while opinions are split on this subject, I will continue to install my strings using the "traditional" method recommended by people with far more knowledge and experience than myself.
And, you can use your preferred method, but when your guitar needs repair, I'll be more than happy to suggest how to accomplish that, as well. Glen
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I think the biggest reason to avoid ball end strings is the plastic balls can break on the 3 nylon strings...don't know about the break angle and extra stress. If the string is tied correctly, seems like the angle is the same.
The Martin ball end string balls are very fragile. I've converted a few steel string guitars to nylon over the years(with varying degrees of success) and I save the brass ends from steel strings and wound nylon/silk sets and tie knots. they don't break. I tie mine...take about 5 seconds longer the using a ball end and I change often, it's just not a big deal.
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However I have used ball-end strings on several guitars that I've set up for friends over the years and in all cases it was to obtain a greater break angle over the saddle because of top lift. My old (c1968) classical is reaching that stage now (and it's always had loop-ends on it - and the bridge is as secure as it was when i bought it all those years ago ) and I shall not hesitate to use ball-ends (La Bella 900 + craft beads) in the near future - it will increase its life by several years. |
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Didn't know that, but I do know they are presently being made in the USA!
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Yep. The business started in Salle, Italy in the 1640's. Two brothers of the family emigrated to the USA in 1913 and continued making strings in New York city. Their factory is now in Newburgh, NY.
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