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Old 04-08-2011, 04:12 PM
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if I'm not mistaken, Taylor Guitars has no debt.
How about Gibson?

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Interesting numbers in the first post in this thread:
  • Taylor: $21.4M Revenue(R) with 320 Employees(E) = $66,875 R/E

It would be interesting to see that number for other manufacturers.
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Interesting numbers in the first post in this thread:
  • Taylor: $21.4M Revenue(R) with 320 Employees(E) = $66,875 R/E

It would be interesting to see that number for other manufacturers.
Hi Billder99, I corrected it to $377.6 million and 400 employees later on. Just an FYI.
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I believe GE Capital provides financing for purchasers of Taylor guitars and may provide financing for dealers but, if I'm not mistaken, Taylor Guitars has no debt.
That's what I was told by a Taylor employee.
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What if Taylor was acquired by Fender?
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Taylor Guitars
- Taylor's revenue is approx $21.4 million
- Approx 320 employees
Oh that's bad. That the news is out anyway. Soon the Govt. will going after the EVIL guitar companies. HOW DARE they make a profit!
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Taylor Guitars
- Taylor's revenue is approx $21.4 million
- Approx 320 employees
Oh that's bad. That the news is out anyway. Soon the Govt. will going after the EVIL guitar companies. HOW DARE they make a profit!
hmm... no profit data is available and I don't think it is that high... in general profits are low in this industry.
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:56 PM
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Taylor does not have any debt, which Bob stated in W&S a few issues ago -
i'd be willing to say that the # of employees at Taylor is closer to 500,
as they were building around 70,000 + guitars a year in 03 & there were close
to 400 back then (without 100/200ce, T5, GS, SB, T3, X16ce or GS Minis)

if the data being used shows Robert Sandell as VP of sales,
the info is about 4 years old (he's been gone for a while now)
Brian Swerdfeger would be the VP of Marketing and Sales in the report.
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Sigh!
Does anybody here remember "Max Headroom"?
"20 minutes into the future..." EVERYTHING will be owned by fewer than 10 giant multi-national corporations.
It's happening... right before our eyes!
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One of the things missing from this thread is the way all this consolidation in the musical instrument manufacturing business affects musicians. By reducing competition through the merger and acquisition process, the single-unit price on all items rises... because there's no competition to drive it down. Somebody once told me that the first $200 you pay for any Gibson or Fender guitar is just for the name on the headstock... and that's made necessary by the bond issues floated by these companies to finance all their acquisitions.
It might make good business sense for the owners, but it's a terrible development for the consumers.

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Old 07-23-2011, 09:45 PM
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One of the things missing from this thread is the way all this consolidation in the musical instrument manufacturing business affects musicians. By reducing competition through the merger and acquisition process, the single-unit price on all items rise... because there's no competition to drive it down. Somebody once told me that the first $200 you pay for any Gibson or Fender guitar is just for the name on the headstock... and that's made necessary by the bond issues floated by these companies to finance all their acquisitions.
It might make good business sense for the owners, but it's a terrible development for the consumers.
I agree. I just got access to tons of music industry (musical instruments manufacture) research articles. I'll make time to read them and share more interesting facts with you guys.

And zabdart, the sad part is that the consolidation is growing. In my opinion, eventually, all these companies will consolidate to two or three major companies.
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Old 07-24-2011, 11:36 AM
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thanks for that. I've gotten used to thinking of valuation as something that needs to be quick because in my work I'm forced to do it on dozens of companies a day. as a result I haven't learned to be thorough or to practice what others do.
If we could value not just Taylor, but ANY company with a decent degree of accuracy we'd be millionaires. Even a percentage point or two off a growth rate extrapolated out will result in wild swings in valuation. I think at best we can get a ballpark range of value. Whatever quick method you might apply may actually not be that bad.
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