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Old 06-22-2012, 05:37 PM
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The action on my Martin DPCPA5K is a little high. I took the saddle out to see if there were shims, and there were none, but there was a string which is connected to, what I am assuming is the wiring for the under saddle pickup on the F1. What is the purpose of the string that lays in the saddle seat? Can it be removed?
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:49 PM
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The action on my Martin DPCPA5K is a little high. I took the saddle out to see if there were shims, and there were none, but there was a string which is connected to, what I am assuming is the wiring for the under saddle pickup on the F1. What is the purpose of the string that lays in the saddle seat? Can it be removed?
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Are you sure you're not looking at the pickup element? If there is a cut piece of string laying in your saddle slot, someone was using it as a shim. But it sounds like you're talking about something connected to the wiring for the pickup. If that's the case, it's probably the pickup.

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Old 06-22-2012, 05:52 PM
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Are you sure you're not looking at the pickup element? If there is a cut piece of string laying in your saddle slot, someone was using it as a shim. But it sounds like you're talking about something connected to the wiring for the pickup. If that's the case, it's probably the pickup.

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It's not cut. It is attached to the wiring for the pickup??
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:04 PM
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IF it is attached to the wiring for the pickup and is in the saddle slot (impossible to say 100% without seeing what you're talking about) there is a 99% chance it IS part of the pickup.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:06 PM
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IF it is attached to the wiring for the pickup and is in the saddle slot (impossible to say 100% without seeing what you're talking about) there is a 99% change it IS part of the pickup.
that is what i am thinking. so, what is the most efficient way to shave saddles?
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that is what i am thinking. so, what is the most efficient way to shave saddles?
sand paper on a flat surface
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:11 PM
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Put a piece of fine sandpaper/emory cloth on a flat hard surface (marble cutting board for example) and something with a square edge like a thick steel straightedge on top. Use the straightedge to insure that you keep the saddle square to the surface to make a totally flat bottom.

Mark the edge on either side at the bottom with a pencil line so you can see how much you're removing. Measure, if you have a definite amount you want to lower.
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Thanks Dave. Assuming you are from KY? Originally from Dayton, Ohio here.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:16 PM
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Originally from Louisville, but over half my life now in Northern California.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:12 PM
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I bought a bone saddle from Bob Colosi for my 000-15. I taped two different grades of sandpaper onto a sheet of glass and used a block to hold the saddle square to the paper while sanding. It worked fine, just take your time so it comes out flat and square to the bridge.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:27 PM
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Do you understand what an under-saddle pick-up is, and where it is located?
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Do you understand what an under-saddle pick-up is, and where it is located?
Not enough to be comfortable with poking around in there Larry.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:35 PM
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Not enough to be comfortable with poking around in there Larry.
You lifted up (and removed) the saddle.

No problem.

Under-saddle pick-ups are located under the saddle. The pick-up element itself is under the saddle. Nothing else should be under the saddle, unless a shim is used...and you have said there is no shim, just a "string". It's not wiring for the pick-up, but likely the pick-up itself. Pick-up elements can be damaged somewhat easily, especially if you don't know how to handle them, or if you don't know what you're looking at.

I am not familiar with the F1 Fishman product, but you will need to be careful with whatever element is there...and it will likely need to be located exactly as you found it.

As was mentioned earlier, a photo would be helpful.
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Yes Larry, I have a Fishman ion under saddle p/u on one of my guitars, looks like a number 28 gauge wire, very fine and appears delicate. Bob Colosi instructed me to be sure the new saddle was as flat as possible or sound quality could suffer. Justy trying to pass that info on.
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Old 06-23-2012, 06:36 AM
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I've always advocated filing the top edge of saddles when reducing the height so you can be totally sure that the bottom edge is perfectly flat (which is crucial).

But I will concede that sanding the bottom edge is do-able, but you must ensure that you get it perfectly flat. As per advice by other members you need a block with a perfect 90 degree angle on it to hold the saddle against, and take your time to get it right.

I can't emphasise enough how important it is to get the bottom edge perfectly level.
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