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03-27-2017, 06:35 AM
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adding subwoofer
We are an acoustic duo, overall our volumes are fairly low. We have a Fishman Solo SA220 as our small-venue PA, run though a Mackie ProFX12 mixer. We want to add a powered sub-woofer to round out our sound, I'm leaning toward a 12" Beringer B1200D, which has an adjustable crossover, lots of inputs/outputs.
Fishman advised me to route the signal from the mixer to the SA220, and then use it's 'monitor out' or 'post di out' to run the sub. I've read some bloggers who are running from the mixer to the sub, and then the SA220, using the crossover in the sub to restrict the frequencies sent to the Fishman. I'd appreciate any thoughts. Thanks, Duolh 
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03-27-2017, 07:05 AM
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My advice is to keep it as simple as possible. In this case, sell the SA220 rather than cobbling together something that may (or likely) not give you the sound you want and shop for a complete/comprehensive system that can give you what you need now and grow in to. If you want to stick with a line-array system, I would get one with a sub built in that has separate control for the treble and bass speakers. They exist and (to me) are better than a bass-less line-array column. Otherwise I would go with a powered speaker system with some on-board EQ capability driven by a quality powered mixer.
Last edited by ManyMartinMan; 03-27-2017 at 03:29 PM.
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03-27-2017, 07:21 AM
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I am thinking you will get a better response if this were in the Acoustic Amplification forum instead of here. Some pretty knowledgable folks hang out there.
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03-27-2017, 07:33 AM
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adding subwoofer
Follow Fishman's advice. Purchase the sub from a store that you can return it to. Getting the levels balanced is sometimes a chore. I would buy a sub not much bigger than the one they sell with the new SA330X. The new Fishman uses an 8" sub, so that should tell you a lot. It's not designed to rock the dance floor. Maybe go 10"?
Clearly their engineers have given it some though. A big 12" sub might sound a bit unbalanced. Using the monitor out is the correct option. The sub should be providing reinforcement for 200Hz and below. You can also try sub first, and see if you get cleaner sound, but I suspect the array will sound too tinny unless it gets close to full spectrum. The SA uses larger speakers than the Bose sticks. Alternatively, if you want to stick with the small portable system, but want some more power and low end, for acoustic music, consider the JBL EON One. You can sell your system and buy the JBL for the same money you'd spend on a sub. The suggestions below for a full scale PA system depend your needs and willingness to carry a lot of equipment. Good luck Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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03-27-2017, 07:55 AM
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Here's my advice:
Sell the Fishman (they are going for around $600 used). The sub you are wanting is $300 new. Use that money and buy a used set of Yamaha Club Series 12" speaker cabs and the Yamaha head that matches them. They have very usable built-in effects. I have done hours of research for PA systems and talked to people who actually play music and own sound equipment, and outside of the QSC powered speakers, this is your best bet. I wanted to go with something cheaper, like Behringer, but after comparing them to the Yamaha speakers, there was absolutely NO comparison. This will sound head-and-shoulders above and beyond your current, and your proposed, set-up. The only probably is actually FINDING a used set of Club-series 12" Yamaha speakers. Why? Because everyone who buys them, keeps them! I looked for over a year trying to find a set of used 12" club-series speakers. I ended up having to drive 1hr 45min each way to get a set that were used, but I got a set of two 12" Yamaha Clubs speakers, a very decent Crate powered head, and two 12" yamaha monitors for $475. It's absolutely the best PA system I've ever owned, and it sounds incredible. It's a great system, and I can't say enough about it. Small enough and quiet enough (no hissssss) to play a small winery and big enough to play outside to about 500 college kids. I know this because I've done both with the same system. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me! 
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03-27-2017, 08:25 AM
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Without getting technical (don't know enough to get technical). Stay small & "musical" with the sub. Some brands are advertised as being more responsive, i.e. musical, than others. I've bought & sold stuff on the Audiogon forum. You can find good deals there.
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03-27-2017, 09:10 AM
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You all are giving me great info, thank you so much !!!
I failed to mention that I'm old and have back issues, so keeping it light is important, and the Berhinger is pretty light and I can use a little two wheeler to get it around. Also I can use a pole in the top of it to mount the Fishman and save space on small stages. I have an L1 Model 1 that's just too big for small gigs and I've had feedback problems in tight quarters with it. The Fishman has a feedback eliminator on both channels that I'm hoping will help, it sure does on my little Fishman Artist amp. Duolh
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03-27-2017, 09:15 AM
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Behringer B1200D weight = 46.5lbs.
Yamaha S112V 2-way speaker = 45.8lbs. Just sayin'. 
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03-27-2017, 12:29 PM
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Sell it, buy a couple of decent powered speakers ... for example, I just scored a minty pair of EV ZLX-12P's for $400. All the bass you need, without complicating matters, and scalable for larger venues. Peavey's Pvxp line is inexpensive and sound great, too. Unless you're in concert environments, you don't need to spend a fortune on powered speakers.
In my personal experience I've never heard any "stick" that sounded better than a pair of decent powered speakers.
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03-27-2017, 05:39 PM
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Wow! I was two weeks too early. $799 plus negotiation opportunity. http://www.prosoundgear.com/shop/spe...ray-pa-system/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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03-27-2017, 08:06 PM
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04-01-2017, 08:13 AM
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We use a bass guitar in our trio.
The sub works good at keeping those Low freq out of our k10s. If you do alot Of drop d stuff you may notice the sub enhances The lower freq of the guitar... but most subs On the mkt dont respond high enough to Enhance acoustic inst...and they are all heavy. Perhaps selling the fishstick and buying a k12 Qsc speaker would be more to your liking. They have a deep switch to enhance lows. Schertler i think makes some specialized acoustic guitar Subs that have always peaked my interest. Any array speaker is just not quite there in the Bass response dept. For me anyway...close But not quite. Unless they have a sub like bose. Schertler "Tom" system is spendy but cool.light With a sub.
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