Okay for a store to use Tonerite on new guitars?

[Brick is Red]

Originally Posted by Athens

Now we're splitting hairs.

Setups and Strings can be easily changed. Tone Rite is something that can't be undone.

I'm not looking to argue with you, just saying that it's a matter of personal preference. Mine is that they not.

It's just friendly discussion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would be splitting hairs if I were overemphasizing a small point or one that is only narrowly applied. Put another way, splitting hairs is to quibble over minutia. That's not what I was doing and I certainly am not interested in starting an argument about this or anything else. I simply read a thread and encountered an interesting perspective on an issue that I had not at any point previously considered. I thought to ask as I was interested in seeing how far you were willing to apply that logic. Anyway, thanks for answering.

[dwasifar]

I would try one if they weren't so stupidly expensive. A vibrator motor in a plastic case cannot possibly cost anywhere near $149 to produce.

[jaymarsch]

I know that Schoenberg's have used the TR on newly built instruments and were really happy with the results. Not sure if they still do it or not.

Best,
Jayne

[muscmp]

no need for the tonerite as they just play all of the guitars. that is why they need new strings when you go to play them.

play music!

[Howard Klepper]

Originally Posted by Tico

I don't think we need to argue again over whether TR works.
There are already threads on that.

I'm asking if you think a retailer using them on new guitars before putting them out on display is okay.
Do you know of any retailers that do this?

I think I recall some luthiers use TR on their new guitars before shipment.

On one hand it seems harmless and possibly helpful to the guitars and to sales if they sound better, but I wonder whether a store would get backlash from certain buyers (who see TR as snake oil) if they found out.

Many more new guitars pass through a retailers hands than through any customer's hands.
For this reason a guitar retailer is in a unique position to determine how well TR works.
They could even test it by treating only guitars with serial numbers that are odd or even.

You mean that people who think Tonerite doesn't do anything would be upset to find out that something that doesn't do anything had been done to their guitars?

Or is it more like if Tonerite works it would be cheating to make a guitar sound better than it really does?

[Tico]

Originally Posted by Howard Klepper

You mean that people who think Tonerite doesn't do anything would be upset to find out that something that doesn't do anything had been done to their guitars?

Or is it more like if Tonerite works it would be cheating to make a guitar sound better than it really does?

What I wrote is what I meant, no hidden meanings intended.

As always, readers will have many different takes on the subject.
That's normal.

[Howard Klepper]

Originally Posted by Tico

What I wrote is what I meant, no hidden meanings intended.

As always, readers will have many different takes on the subject.
That's normal.

I wasn't asking for any hidden agenda--I couldn't be sure what you intended. I'm sure you intended to say that some people might not like a store to tonerite new guitars. But I couldn't tell why you think they might not like it.

[frankmcr]

Originally Posted by Howard Klepper

make a guitar sound better than it really does

Interesting concept.

[Tico]

Originally Posted by Howard Klepper

I wasn't asking for any hidden agenda--I couldn't be sure what you intended. I'm sure you intended to say that some people might not like a store to tonerite new guitars. But I couldn't tell why you think they might not like it.

My intention was to start a conversation about retailers using TR.
I've done that.

Posters, myself included, have offered their opinions, pro and con.
Mission accomplished.

[guitar george]

Originally Posted by Brick is Red

Does that include setups and string changes?

I would much prefer that the strings, on a new guitar, be the original factory strings. When I change strings, for the first time, I always refer to the original manufacturer's recommended strings. If the strings have been changed to different strings, and I bought the guitar based on the sound produced by those strings, how would I know what strings are on the guitar? (I would mistakingly think they are the manufacturer's recommended strings)

[Hurricane Ramon]

Salud Tico :

This probably does have merit but , the answer is easy to accomplish with what you already have .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viEyBHClaLY

This explains it better than writing about it .

Some say [ Just Play It ] in time it will ' open up "

And that is true , but - - -

I played 5 to 8 hours a day for the first few years taking breaks after a two to three hour session .
Then I placed it in front of some great speakers and turn the sound on and left the guitar there
over night and all day till I picked it to play .

Can't say it worked truthfully but - I sure do have a wonderful sounding guitar .

I bought it new in 2001 - it opened up about a year later . It's a rosewood .

EZ :

HR

[Tico]

Originally Posted by Howard Klepper

I wasn't asking for any hidden agenda--I couldn't be sure what you intended.
I'm sure you intended to say that some people might not like a store to tonerite new guitars.
But I couldn't tell why you think they might not like it.

Ask them.
More than one poster here has stated they would not like it.
Please quote them and ask them why.

I've already stated I like my TR.
While I can understand why some retailers would TR new stock before it's put out on the floor, I nevertheless think it should be up to the buyers whether or not they want it.

I would also understand if some manufacturers would not want their guitars TRed before being put on the floor, or consider it to be a tad presumptuous on the part of retailers.
I'm sure guitars makers want to sell to people in both groups, those pro and con TR.

[crikey]

I don't care who (retailers or builders) tonerites what, but I'd prefer they be upfront about it if they do.

[merlin666]

I certainly would not buy a guitar as "new" that was treated like this. Would it not also void the warranty?

[Tico]

Originally Posted by merlin666

I certainly would not buy a guitar as "new" that was treated like this. Would it not also void the warranty?

In post #7 of this thread Pitar claimed/suggested it would, but after I asked him to he has not returned with the name of any manufacturer that states this.