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Guitar dealers on eBay getting around MAP
I hit many of the AFG sponsor websites, LA Guitar & MacNichol in particular; enough to keep me drooling constantly. I've got a long list of guitars to buy if I hit the lottery!
I also come across some of the same sponsors on eBay, which is fine... a bit like coming across someone familiar. No big deal. The fact that I know them puts them a step above the ones on eBay that I don't know; even if I already know what's in their inventory. I have some automatic searches on eBay that watch out for particular types of guitars I'm interested in that are for sale as used by an owner. All that said, I'm really burnt out on dealers (none of which are AFG sponsors) that appear to be working the system by taking a new guitar, walking it out the back door, around the parking lot, and in through the front door and then calling it "used" in order to get around manufacturer MAP. It screws up my search alerts, they clutter my manual searches, and the guitars appear to be "new" although the seller disclaims any ability to use their warranty. What they're really doing is finding the price at which someone will buy a new guitar that has no warranty. I guess there's no way to report this to eBay. It's just part of the deterioration of the system. Is this what it appears to be?
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It does make me wonder about something -does this hurt the original manufacturer -their selling alot of products , their getting the price they want - and they wont have to worry about enforcing a warranty on these items --cant prove it so im no accusing - But their are alot of things in the world you can buy cheaper if you know how to go about doing it - Im not trying to cause a problem or hurts someones reputation - but times are tough and people are trying to work angles to make a buck - |
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Please note that I said:
I'm really burnt out on dealers (none of which are AFG sponsors) that appear to be working the system
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I think everyone knows our sponsors are awesome!!! But in this economy some people are willing to sacrifice the warrantee for a extra buck or two. It's sad but true.....
Taylor gets the money either way, so not sure if it hurts them at all....but it might hurt the small businesses.
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You know what? I am sick and tired of MAP anyway, not just in the guitar industry either. MSRP does not stand for "Manufacturers Strictly Required Price", it stands for "Manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price". <END RANT SORRY>
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I had a somewhat similar experience. I bought a guitar that was advertised on the web as used, at a small mom-and-pop shop, and got a good price on it. It had been used, but it turned out that the only guy who ever used it was the dealer himself. It had been in the shop for a couple of years. He had played it at the shop and had even demo-ed it at a couple of coffeehouse type gigs, but never actually bought it for himself or sold it retail. (It had a few pick marks on it and a little glossing on the back of the neck). We worked out a deal and I took the guitar home . . . but I got to thinking. I checked the manufacturer's website. Then I called and pointed out to the dealer that since I was the first actual retail purchaser of the guitar, according to the website I might still be entitled to the factory warranty. He checked it out, and I was, so I sent in the registration card. I think he was a little mad at himself for discounting the guitar as much as he did, but it was shop-worn and he was obviously not able to sell it online at MAP. I was willing to buy the guitar with or without the warranty. The warranty was just a little bonus.
I know one can generally email or call a dealer and get a lower price quoted, but I see some online merchants who advertise brand new guitars at MAP . . . and you can put them in the virtual shopping cart and see the discounted price right away. That seems pretty much the same as advertising at a discount online to begin with. I'm surprised that the manufacturers and other dealers haven't put a stop to that practice. Last edited by Big.Al; 09-08-2011 at 09:43 AM. Reason: clarity |
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Tangentially related, I've always enjoyed the math behind MSRP calculations:
MSRP = (Actual price borne by the market) * 3 + $0.99 This allows for daily blowout sales "up to 99.9% off!!" I can see your frustration. That does making searches for used guitars kind of a pain.
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...and how about those Santa Cruz dealers selling new guitars on eBay!
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