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I think simple is usually a good idea, especially when you're on stage. But dual source doesn't have to be complicated. With my usual setup, I have my guitar, with a mic+K&K, no batteries to worry about, etc, clean and simple, and then my SPS-1 end-pin module (no SPS-1). It's smaller than the red-eye, fits, complete with the cable in my gig bag pocket. Plug in, turn up the volume (at my fingertips at the end-pin jack), and play. Other than perhaps rolling off a little bass from the mic, I usually end up flat EQ-wise. Really easy and simple. The Lyric+K&K combo has been even simpler, since it usually seems to need no EQ at all for me.
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It is clear to me that lots of guys really enjoy fooling around in search of the holy grail of tone simply for the sake of the search. And if that is what you like to do, I say, more power to you!!!!!! Have fun, that is what it is all about. It was not my intention to call the pursuit into question, but, understanding the breadth of new members who read these post, to provide some perspective to them that one can have a really good sounding/acting rig that does not require much money or effort and will leave your audience smiling. I don't know about you guys, but, even though I get paid to gig 5 or 6 times per month, by the time you factor in the cost of my guitar and amplification rigs, I am money behind. (probably because I seem to need a new guitar every other year or so. ) So, have fun, and, good luck in your guitar pursuits no matter what they are. Steve
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simondylan, I am in the process of removing the ES system from my guitar and trying out the K&K + Lyric set up. I wouldn't say that it's confusing. If you compare it to the Anthem then yes it's a little more detailed but other than wiring the K&K to the lyric end preamp, it's pretty straight forward. I am lucky because I have two jacks so I can avoid having to wire them together.
The Anthem does accomplish this same thing to an extent but it still has a UST which a lot of people (including myself) hate. I also find that with the Anthem it only sounds natural if the mic is turned up and personally the Lyric on it's own doesn't really do it for me so I would need to have more UST which brings in the quack. With the K&K + lyric set up I am hoping to put 80-90% of my sound on the K&K which is already far more natural than a UST. I just want the lyric to add a little air. |
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For me, my tone quest started by removing the UST... And I'm never looking back.
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I started a thread about my venture from the dual source K&K/mic and pendulum SPS1 to the Lyric with a DTAR Equinox. The thread died quickly BTW. I get great results with this new combo. I do need to cut a lot in the 200-400hz range. I do not have to do much with the lows and highs. I find that reducing that range brightens up the rest if the guitar and it cuts through the band easily. Finger picked or strummed hard. The sound stays natural. My guitar has plenty of bass so I don't miss the punchy bass that other pickups would provide.
The Equinox is an undervalued piece of gear. It is not that spendy either. The Baggs people suggested to set the presence screw of the Lyric as low as possible so that the treble strings sound similar to the natural sound of your guitar. Then use the preamp to fine tune. My presence screw is set at 50%. The Equinox, when used properly seems to take care of most of the complaints people here seem to have about the Lyric. I agree with them too. Just wanted to share the joy.
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The Equinox looks similar to the Venue... lots of controls. The Venue has Bass, 2 sweeping mids, presence, treble and notch. Whereas the Equinox has really 5 sweeping points, 3 with adjustable bandwidth (Q). So in a sense it is a better preamp because of the adjustable Q... but the Venue is more of a "pedal" with the boost and mute/tuner. Although for $258 new... it seems a bit spendy to me Nevertheless, if I found one for a good price, I'd consider it. Thanks for the tip.
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To those of you using the k&K with the Lyric, what preamp are you using? Most seem to agree that both sources need some EQ but there is no mention of how this is being done. The SPS-1 is the only preamp that I can think of that fits the bill. It seems to me that something like the DTAR Solstice or the Headway EB2 does not have enough EQ capability to really work well.
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Thanks Doug. That was exactly what I was hoping to hear!
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You like this dual source better than the mic/K&K? And are you still using the SPS-1 end-pin module with the Lyric/K&K? While I'm at it, you find this SPS-1 module works better for a dual source than something like the Solstice (and if so why)
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I'm curious about this, too. It would be nice to not have to deal with the 9v power for mics
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Undecided. They're different. Both sound good.
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The SPS-1 module is nice because it's simple. Fingertip control of volume and balance right on the guitar. Turn it down and change guitars easily, don't even have to bend over to reach some preamp or have some big box sitting beside me. Fits in a packet or a gig bag. Plenty of gain and clear sound. I don't need EQ on stage, that's the last thing I want to be fussing with - I can't really EQ from behind the PA anyway, so just let the sound guy do it out front where he can hear what the audience hears. And the module doesn't rule out anything. I can plug it into a mixer directly, I can plug it into the SPS-1 rack if I need it, I can even plug it into my Humphrey amp. Anything that has a pair of phantom powered XLR ins. I'm actually experimenting with a more complicated setup right now: UAD Apollo + computer, and I can plug the SPS-1 module into that as well.
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