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Old 03-07-2017, 02:51 PM
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Quilted sapele may be an option, with properties somewhere between rosewood and mahogany.
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^^^^
Yes, this would have been my second choice!
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Waouw many answers here, thanks for your advices, so cocobolo for many, ovangkol (I've tried an old Taylor GC4 and a Furch OM 21 SO and I liked both very much), macassar ebony waouw I had already noticed its great look, isn't that tonewood pretty expensive ? A few also mentioned koa, but isn't koa (all things being equal) a little bit light on the bass side, as maple can sometimes be? I already own a very cool mahogany guitar, and sapele sounds rather close to mahogany of what I know, so I don't need another one, though I looove mahogany.
I have never tried African blackwood, only Australian blackwood on Maton's guitar but those sounds rather thin whatever tonewood you put on them, way overbuilt in my opinion... ebony must be pretty expensive too I guess though I've heard some very good sounding one on YT
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I have never tried African blackwood, only Australian blackwood on Maton's guitar but those sounds rather thin whatever tonewood you put on them, way overbuilt in my opinion... ebony must be pretty expensive too I guess though I've head some very good sounding one on YT
Australian and African blackwood are nothing alike. They're not related. African blackwood is a rosewood (as is cocobolo). It often gets pretty close to black. Australian blackwood is an acacia (like koa). It's not black.
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Johan, another thought occurred to me, and that is that you might look for a Martin Norman Blake model Triple O. These have a 14 fret Triple O/OM body but the neck joins the body at the 12th fret.

I've played several, both Martins and the Blueridge imitation of the same design, in rosewood, mahogany and sapele, and all of them had prominent midrange responses. It seems to be a characteristic of that design.

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Thanks for the info, I'm not looking for a tonewood with especially strong mid response, as both mahogany and maple can provides the mids I need, but I would like to ad to the stable a guitar kind of rosewood sounding, but just with a little bit less scooped mids register and without those metallic, zingy as someone here said, trebles which really hurt my ears haha, but waouw those macassar ebony pictures look great ! I'll take a YT research about those Martin Norman Blake model too
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I went with cocobolo because I found the sound to be the answer to my same exact question, while I was searching to buy a new OM. I've had no idea what cocobolo was until I tried the OM that I currently own. I was searching for nice balanced tone with mids included, something that rosewoods that I've tried did not have.
Glad to hear I am not the only one feeling that way about rosewood, and that's a +1 for cocobolo
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Its called a Gibson Advanced Jumbo. A very special type of tonewood found on a very remote island.

btw: Cocobolo is a cocktail, not a tonewood, they are all pulling your leg.
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Its called a Gibson Advanced Jumbo. A very special type of tonewood found on a very remote island.

btw: Cocobolo is a cocktail, not a tonewood, they are all pulling your leg.
Haha, come on, you're a Furch guy, don't talk about Gibson, their quality is not what it used to be anymore I would never buy a brand new one, and if I did buy a Gibson jumbo it will be made with maple b and s, you know I'm a maple addict, and buy the way let me know when you try a Furch OM Sf at Huml
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I would like to ad to the stable a guitar kind of rosewood sounding, but just with a little bit less scooped mids register and without those metallic, zingy as someone here said, trebles which really hurt my ears haha,
That's usually opposite of what I usually hear in EIR. Most EIR models I've played are fairly dark in the treble when compared to mahogany and others. Not ear-punishing zing (less of that actually), just a harmonically dense midrange peak and a big low end. However, the builder can change that entirely (but, I've already posted about that so I won't belabor that point).


Just saw the post about Gibson. That's actually EXACTLY what I recommend you look into if you want midrange clarity. Forget about the back wood hunt. Also, there are a lot of fantastic new Gibsons being made.
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Short answer to what question?
why, the OP off course.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:21 PM
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Since cocobolo IS rosewood, it's strange to see so many people suggest it as an alternative to rosewood.
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Taylor Guitars seems to believe Ovangkol is exactly what you are looking for...

isn't that assertion based on the 'Taylor' 'experience'.
I've seen that 'graph' many times - but I've never seen a sole luthier use or refer too it.
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isn't that assertion based on the 'Taylor' 'experience'.
I've seen that 'graph' many times - but I've never seen a sole luthier use or refer too it.
I've always thought that chart was somewhat misleading. It certainly mislead me a few times when I was learning about tone woods.

I like Dana Bourgeois' write-up. I wouldn't consider it gospel but I agree with most of it and I've seen it "borrowed" (straight-up plagiarized in some instances) an endless number of times online.
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Old 03-07-2017, 05:05 PM
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why, the OP off course.
No. On course.

It just struck me as funny that with all the woods mentioned -- including mahogany and sapele -- what woods haven't we mentioned?
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No. On course.

It just struck me as funny that with all the woods mentioned -- including mahogany and sapele -- what woods haven't we mentioned?
Maple and walnut
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