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Old 01-26-2017, 12:38 PM
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Awesome!!! what a beauty and love the new playability with the satin neck!!
Agreed! This series will be a huge hit, IMO, it will probably send some of the competition back to the drawing board.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:11 PM
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They play really nice...I played the Shorty size one a lot .... and.... a nice price point .... RainSong done good!
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:10 PM
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They play really nice...I played the Shorty size one a lot .... and.... a nice price point .... RainSong done good!
They did indeed! Here's the press release from Rainsong:


1/17/2017

We are very excited to introduce the Concert Hybrid Series. For the Concert Hybrid Series we combined the unidirectional carbon soundboard of the Concert Series with the carbon/glass body of the Hybrid Series models then added a twist or two.

·High Gloss Unidirectional Carbon Top
·Satin Carbon/Glass Back and Sides
·Satin Carbon NS neck
·Black Hardware, Nut, Saddle and Pinstripe Rosette
·LR Baggs Stagepro Element

Optional LR Baggs Stagepro Anthem
Optional K&K Mini
Optional Pure Acoustic

·Available in WS, OM and PA bodies
PA also available as Pure Acoustic with Gig Bag

CH-PA1100NSG - Parlor body, 12-fret neck, Pure Acoustic, gig bag - $1,299 MAP
CH-PA1100NS - Parlor body, 12-fret neck, Pure Acoustic - $1,349 MAP
CH-WS1100NS - WS body, 12-fret neck, Pure Acoustic - $1,349 MAP
CH-OM1100NS - OM body, 12-fret neck, Pure Acoustic - $1,349 MAP
CH-PA/WS/OM1000NS - Parlor/WS/OM, 12-fret neck, LR Baggs Stagepro Element - $1,499 MAP
CH-PA/WS/OM1000NSK - Parlor/WS/OM, 12-fret neck, K&K Pure Mini - $1,599 MAP
CH-PA/WS/OM1000NSX - Parlor/WS/OM, 12-fret neck, LR Baggs Stagepro Anthem - $1,799 MAP
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Wow! Entry level for brand new CF is now about $1300 for the parlor and $1350 MAP for the WS and OM bodies. These will be a real success. Rainsong tone and playability, the environmental durability of CF, and now at a price point that has not really been seen before (except used).
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Interesting Rainsong being very agressive in creating good entry level options. Blackbird, looking at keeping in the plus $2000. CA prices aren't cheap any more. Emerald competitive but not in stores. Rainsong is in a good position.
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Rainsong has paid some heavy dues. The maker was one of the first to explore the use of cf and had its share of flops. But the company persevered and has continued to be at the frontier of cf guitars. I have a great deal of respect for Rainsong. I also find it hilarious that the company is headquartered in Woodsville.
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Plus one, really nice to have Kramster back.
Yes indeed.....love the NAMM reports and pictures.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:00 PM
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Rainsong has paid some heavy dues. The maker was one of the first to explore the use of cf and had its share of flops. But the company persevered and has continued to be at the frontier of cf guitars. I have a great deal of respect for Rainsong. I also find it hilarious that the company is headquartered in Woodsville.
Rainsong was the first successful builder of carbon fiber guitars, no doubt about that, so they have paid their dues, and even busted down doors for other builders, but I am not aware of any flops. I recall that their classical model, which was a true classical not simply a steel string strung with nylon strings, was not well received by classical players. I also know that the Jazz Model was not particularly popular with jazz players, but these models have now become true collectors items so they are anything but flops. The imported models were also great guitars, and are still out there making music. Not really flops either, IMO.

The fact that they are located in Woodinville is kind of funny. Perhaps the town will rename the street they are on Carbon Drive.
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I think it depends on how one defines "flops".

If it is a line of guitars that didn't sell? I don't really know Rainsong history there.

If talking about Rainsong making a guitar that was defective, I can relate a firsthand story there.

It is well known that very early on, they built a few guitars using an epoxy that was not heat resistant. If those guitars were stored in high heat, they became unplayable--warped or fell apart. No secret here and it was mentioned in passing on the old MacNichol forum.

It is just part of the early learning curve and I doubt there is a maker out there that hasn't had issues of various types, especially early on.

The rest of the story is this. With this Rainsong failure, even though it was actually many years later that the no longer playable guitar was returned to them, Rainsong repaired/replaced that guitar and completely satisfied the customer. Stellar service, IMO, and worthy of praise.
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I think it depends on how one defines "flops".
The "issue" you are referring to had to do with extreme heat, the kind of heat that would destroy a wood guitar, the guitars were not defective. The folks at Rainsong found out people were testing the limits of their guitars, doing things with them you were never supposed to, so instead of voiding the warranty, they changed the epoxy. This took place in the first few years, BTW, almost twenty years ago.

THE definition of a flop with regards to manufacturing and marketing, is a product that was a total failure, I don't believe Rainsong had any models that met that definition.
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I don't see total failure as the benchmark for "flop." From a commercial standpoint the goal is return. Let me rephrase. I think Rainsong has made guitars that have not had much of an economic return. I also think that that is quite alright--it means that the company has been experimenting, progressing, working toward the future. When I note an occasional flop, I am not being derogatory, I am congratulating human persistence.
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. . . The folks at Rainsong found out people were testing the limits of their guitars, doing things with them you were never supposed to, so instead of voiding the warranty, they changed the epoxy. . . .
Just to be clear, no one was intentionally "testing" limits or doing things they were not supposed to do, or doing any other thing intentionally to cause that particular Rainsong to fail.

It was carbon fiber and there are obviously different expectations with carbon fiber than than there are for wood in regards to durability. It was kept in a trailer house in a hot region of the country with no shade and the AC was off when the musician (professional gigging musician) was not at home and off doing other things.

Rainsong was still on the learning curve and changed to a more suitable epoxy after failures appeared. As I mentioned, it was long ago and Rainsong's response was super.
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Agreed! This series will be a huge hit, IMO, it will probably send some of the competition back to the drawing board.
With this new line I don't think Rainsong has any competition. This new parlor https://www.laguitarsales.com/index....id-parlor.html, in particular, looks like an amazing combination. And given the price...forgetaboutit.....
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Does the new neck happen to have a rolled fretboard edge? That's the only complaint I have with my two Rainsongs - the edge of the fretboards are sharp like letter openers.
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With this new line I don't think Rainsong has any competition. This new parlor https://www.laguitarsales.com/index....id-parlor.html, in particular, looks like an amazing combination. And given the price...forgetaboutit.....
I think that was the idea, RP.


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Does the new neck happen to have a rolled fretboard edge? That's the only complaint I have with my two Rainsongs - the edge of the fretboards are sharp like letter openers.
Standard frets, Ken. You could have your luthier roll the frets on your Rainsongs, but be careful, rolling the frets will reduce the surface width, and it's definitely not reversible.
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