Why don't tuner companies make longer shaft tuners?

[tippy5]

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/in...l&d=1513787366

I love straight through string termination. Like Fender 6 in line, or PRS. Acoustically the early Bourgeois snake head shaped headstocks for string through tuning improvements.
But aesthetically they are not the greatest looking headstocks.

Are there any acoustic makers that retain the comfortable looking rectangular headstock shape and utilize longer shaft tuning machines?

Any acoustic tuners out there that are longer shafts?

[jessupe]

Originally Posted by tippy5

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/in...l&d=1513787366

I love straight through string termination. Like Fender 6 in line, or PRS. Acoustically the early Bourgeois snake head shaped headstocks for string through tuning improvements.
But aesthetically they are not the greatest looking headstocks.

Are there any acoustic makers that retain the comfortable looking rectangular headstock shape and utilize longer shaft tuning machines?

Any acoustic tuners out there that are longer shafts?

Gotoh makes what is called a HAP system, this allows for post height adjustment.

https://g-gotoh.com/international/po...ats-h-a-p.html

[Wade Hampton]

Jessupe beat me to it: those Gotoh HAP tuners are probably your best bet.

The good news is that Gotoh gears are excellent tuners to begin with, and they make a number of different styles of tuners that have the height adjustable shafts.

Here are some Gotoh HAP Kluson-style gears:

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Here's an open gear style:

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Here's a chart from Gotoh showing how the adjustable shafts work:

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And here are some more Gotoh tuners, the gold one on the bottom
showing the little Allen wrench used to adjust the shaft height:

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So there are quite a few different styles of tuners that Gotoh makes with the HAP shaft.
You've got the luxury of picking out whichever style you like the most.

One note: while looking at these tuners online, what I saw over and over is
that most of them are available in six-in-line sets, not 3 & 3. Many retailers
will be reluctant to break up six-in-line sets, which makes perfect sense from their perspective.

One exception to that, though, that I can personally vouch for, is Allparts in Texas. Gotoh does
make these tuners in both left- and right-handed configuration, and if you
call and ask them to make up a 3 & 3 configuration, they'll probably be happy to do it for you.

My last order from them, in fact, was just like that. It wasn't for HAP tuners;
I needed a set of black mini 510's, and they had them only in right- and
left-handed six-in-line sets. But my sales rep at Allparts was very cool
about the whole thing, and volunteered to make up a 3 & 3 set for me. Which I purchased.

So I recommend that you talk to the folks at Allparts sometime this week during Central Standard Time business hours:

Allparts (713) 466-6414 M-F 8:30 am to 5:30 CST.


Even if you find what you're looking for at another retailer, the important
thing for you to take away from this thread is that Gotoh makes what
you appear to need.

Hope this helps.


Wade Hampton Miller

[Brucebubs]

Guys, looking at the picture in the link, I think the OP is referring to the winder shafts not the string posts.

[tippy5]

Thanks for the interesting variable shaft height information.

Sorry not shaft.....I was wrong in my initial tuner part name.

What I was interested in is straight string through. I dislike nut slots that have the string coming out at an angle. I am wondering why guitar makers do not design a rectangular guitar head with the tuners above the nut slots.
Having the G and D tuners designed inside the rectangle deeper..... Longer tuners for D,G and then medium offset for A,B to maintain a straight string through.

I guess it might defeat the aesthetic I prefer with this offset tuner hole pattern on the headstock.

Some makers, like Ryan, have a semi snakehead headstock shape for more perpendicular nut slots and slighter string angle past the slot.

One thing a lot of pro pop and country players play is the PRS product line. PRS stay in tune for hours.
I would like to file my own slots. I bought some fancy Japanese guitar files but I am reluctant to file my own.

Just wondering why there isn't a rectangular headstock with deeper tuner holes drilled for straight strings.

[OMO]

I have the HAPM Gotohs on many of my guitars. It's a bit of trick understanding how to set them up the first time but they are wonderful.

[rogthefrog]

Those HAP Gotohs are a bit of a pain and really fiddly, especially the locking ones. Not worth it imo for something you set once and never need to change again.

[Athens]

There was a recent post where someone commented on the fact that they didn't like the shape of the headstock on Seagull Guitars.

I'd always thought that this was precisely the reason they did that, to allow the strings to pass straight across the nut and not be pulled to the side going to the tuning post.

[varmonter]

i think the angle is necessary for transfer of
vibration across the nut. if you decrease that
angle you may lose tone/volume and too much
your strings may slide off the nut.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by varmonter

i think the angle is necessary for transfer of
vibration across the nut. if you decrease that
angle you may lose tone/volume and too much
your strings may slide off the nut.

You might be thinking of downforce and the angle at which the head is tilted back? This is the sideward force from the tuning posts being a bit off to the side.