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Old 12-04-2017, 06:10 PM
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Hi all - I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to best patch a hole. I recently acquired this old 12-string Maton - somewhere along the line a pickup was added, and rather than going out the endpin a hole was drilled out instead - see pic attached. The pickup was long gone before I bought it but I'd like to do something about this hole. I don't care what it looks like (it's not exactly "mint"), just more concerned structurally.

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Old 12-04-2017, 06:43 PM
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I would use a step drill and ream the hole (gently, low speed) to an appropriate sized plug. Glue a dowel into the end block flush with the inside surface. Glue the plug to that. If you don't have access to pre made plugs or a plug cutter send me the size you need and I'll make you one.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:07 PM
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I am going to assume the guitar does not have a lot of value and you aren;t terribly experienced. Looks like that hole is not at the heel block, but all by itself out there with no backing. If you are an amateur without much material or many tools, try to come up with a piece of wood (type probably does not matter), maybe a piece of a door skin or something else thin. Make it a bit thicker than 1/16". First cut a circle bigger than the hole by 1/4" all the way around, boil it in water for 10 minutes, then bend it over a form of the right shape (you could even tape it to the side of the guitar near the hole over a piece of food wrap) and let it dry. Reach inside the guitar and glue it evenly over the back of the hole - you might drill a small hole in the middle and run a string through the hole to tie it to a stick on the outside for clamping. Epoxy would be a forgiving glue, but clean off the excess in the hole to be patched Then make a duplicate and bend it the same way. When it is dry, shape it to fit the hole and glue it in with tape over the outside. When the glue is dry, scrape it level with the surrounding area, patch any small holes with Famowood or other putty, and stain it get close in color.

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Old 12-04-2017, 08:19 PM
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somewhere along the line a pickup was added, and rather than going out the endpin a hole was drilled out instead -
Actually, that is factory location for the input jack on Matons, that is not saying someone has not fitted an aftermarket system, but that is the standard location for them.

Patching comes down to how invisible do you want it, example a 60 dollar job or 300 dollar job.

Place a section of bracing internally at the hole location and then make a filler piece to smooth the hole out, all the rest of the cost is in regards to cosmetics.

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Old 12-04-2017, 10:25 PM
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Good suggestions. That's nearly grainless (in appearance) wood, and the color is an easy match, so it shouldn't be hard to do a good job. I'd round out the hole (many ways to do so, even just w/ a round file) and make the patch with a scrap of slightly thicker wood (so you can sand it flat from the top once glued in). Hobby shops, even hardware stores, sell various sizes of maple and birch that would do. As was suggested above, a brace behind the patched hole will keep the patch from getting knocked out by a bump. Good luck.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:32 PM
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I don't try and hide things like that, I make a feature of them, so I would just figure out a way to make it into a neat hole for a socket. I would also add some reinforcing in the back.

I had a Maton 12-string for while, could have been an FG-80.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:28 AM
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Actually, that is factory location for the input jack on Matons, that is not saying someone has not fitted an aftermarket system, but that is the standard location for them.

Place a section of bracing internally at the hole location and then make a filler piece to smooth the hole out, all the rest of the cost is in regards to cosmetics.

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I think you are correct - its just that there is also a whopping great hole where the endpin should be too! I think I've got that covered, at least.

When you say place a section of bracing, do you mean just glue in a small piece of wood behind the hole?

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I am going to assume the guitar does not have a lot of value and you aren;t terribly experienced.
Correct on both accounts! Your suggestion makes sense I'll give that a go.

Thanks all.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:35 AM
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Yep

The whopping big hole where the endpin should be is actually the access hole for adjusting your truss rod, they used a 7mm square head and it’s attached to a long rod that you insert through the tail block

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Old 12-06-2017, 05:13 AM
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I had a buddy in school that somehow dented the side of his Camaro. Looked pretty bad and he didn't have the money to fix it so his girlfriend put a bandaid on it.... It was funny and after a while we all just go use to it. So my idea is if you want a cheap easy fix and you don't mind the "embellishment" slap a bandaid on it. If you drink you could probably also put a bottle cab on it somehow.. or take a guitar pick and glue it over it. If you are not set on it having to be wood and having it blend in like it was new then there are thousands of ways to cover it up
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:05 AM
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Just clean it up and install a new jack in it. Then just never plug it in. Heck you may change your mind one day and decide to add a pickup system. You'd have the jack already installed and ready.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:05 AM
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So there's your answer... Both holes are actually original...

Very good and very lucky for you....

Now all you need to do is find the parts to fill them back up to look original and off you go!
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:48 PM
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So there's your answer... Both holes are actually original...

Very good and very lucky for you....

Now all you need to do is find the parts to fill them back up to look original and off you go!
Hah! Yep there you go, not where I expected to end up after this post but good to know. It's all fun and games. That truss rod adjustment thing is a bit of a mind bender, but looking inside the guitar it makes sense now. Lucky for me the relief is fine for the time being.
I'm not too concerned with the final look but a bandaid is a little low rent, even for me
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Manufacturers truss rod tool for Matons

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Old 12-06-2017, 11:34 PM
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Manufacturers truss rod tool for Matons

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Bloody hell!! Less likely to get lost in my tool box, like the one actual allen key I need.
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