The new Epiphone Olympic archtop
Having failed to find one of these in the UK I am eagerly awaiting them to hit UK stores. But I wonder if these Masterbilt re-issue instruments will bring down the price of the original vintage ones?
I just wish that Epiphone would have done some more videos of the century archtop range so that we could all have some idea of how they sound. Is anyone else going to be looking at them? |
I'm also eager to play the Epi reissue archtops. I'm hopeful that they will sound decent, but I doubt they will compare with the originals tonally*, and certainly not to a degree that would de-value their vintage counterparts. If anything, I think the price of the vintage Epis will go up because of the increased awareness of these guitars among players. The originals are the "real deal", whereas the reissues are imported copies.
*I assume they are made in China (?), and the finish will be the same tone-killing catalyzed polyester as on the Masterbilt flat tops. Also the tops are solid spruce, but not carved (correct me if I'm wrong), which means they're pressed, and the backs and sides are plywood. None of this necessarily means that they will be bad sounding guitars, but it certainly means that they are constructed differently from the vintage ones, and they will therefore sound different. |
They aren't a re-issue. If you want the details they are contraning in the topic located just slightly down the page.
As an example, a "re-issue" wouldn't have a big ugly battery box stuck in the lower bout. |
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Yes I was indeed wrong to label them as 're-issue' - not sure where I got that from other than the general sense that they are closely based on specific guitars from a bygone time, and therefore cause people to feel that they are buying into the characteristics of what those instruments were. Clever marketing by Epi I guess.
I don't know much about archtops and probably like others have been inspired by the David Rawlings sound and guitar that he plays hence the interest. They do look good though and I personally can live with the electronics if they prove to be very good. The proof will be in the playing because they are not very expensive but I will know as soon as I pick one up if they are going to be useful to me. |
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I think this is a semantic argument, and it's okay to use the term "re-issue" in this case. |
I was going to say it was semantics myself but I suppose we all have different criteria for issues such as this.
I suppose in essence the guitars are more of a 'homage' or 'pastiche' and will perhaps have to be judged on their own merit. In photography (an area I know a lot more about) there have been similar issues, not least the fact that for years and years now photographers have been using old film simulations via plugins and apps - not to mention all the retro looking cameras. This is what I see happening with guitars: the proliferation of relics and the re introduction of a visual aesthetic which introduces nostalgia into the minds of us all. Nostalgia is a very potent marketing tool. |
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I haven't noticed anything that I can recall on Epi's website saying these are re-issues.
A re-issue would be a more-or-less faithful re-creation of the original design, which these are not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, Epi is using "re-invention of the archtop" as a descriptor. They obviously feel that it's necessary to do a few "improvements" in the new "re-invented" models to attract a sufficient market. Possibly so, but I'd be more inclined to purchase one that was more in keeping with the archival designs that these are patterned (loosely) after. Don't make me go along with whatever a team of "value-added" engineers and designers come up with as "improvements" that are obviously based on economics. The basic guitars look OK, although I could do with a less-garish headstock decal theme. I'd be perfectly satisfied if they invested the dollars in less flash and window dressing in a solid but basic guitar. Maybe it is, but it's hard to get past all the c**p that's meant to appeal to their target audience. That, my friends, is a crying shame. |
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To the OPs question - no, these modern guitars will not have a downward effect on the price of vintage Epis. Could increase prices as people start realizing the quality of these vintage instruments.
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http://acousticguitar.com/summer-nam...tric-archtops/ |
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I don't get how you keep something acoustic by "incorporating a Nanoflex HD pickup". As I said before, what a shame. The 41' Triumph is a ringer for my garbage pile pick. |
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Yeah man, that Triumph is sweet! Such a clean one too. My '41 Spartan is the same color, with the firestripe pickguard. |
Since the most common means of amplifying your acoustic guitar, for the majority of the acoustic market, is by the piezo electric pickup/preamp systems, I understand and agree with Epiphone on this. The market already has a load of "hollow body" archtops with magnetic pickups. The magnetic pickups interact with the strings. The piezo pickups have more sensitivity to the guitar body as a whole, thus the notion of keeping it acoustic. I have heard one demo of the Zenith played very shortly, mic'd by a ribbon microphone. I do not think the piezo takes anything away from the acoustics of the guitar. Mic it, amp it, mix the two methods together. The guitar has promise to be a versatile instrument. You won't even see the preamp/battery box when your play the guitar and you won't have to have the pick guard on to house the volume and tone pots on a magnetic system. Only thing they could have done would have been to make the piezo system passive and you could plug in to the preamp of your choice, from my perspective. The intent of these guitars seems well thought out to me. But it follows what Interests me in a new acoustic based archtop design.
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