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CaE 12-15-2016 02:40 PM

Ensor Guitars- The "All American Wood" Guitar- FINAL PICS & VIDEO
 
I've been wanting to build this guitar for a LONG time- a guitar built with ALL American woods.

First off let's define "American". Simply put, all from the USA. Not just North American and definitely not South American.

I had pitched the client on the idea and he loved it. The only thing he was specific on was that it was different from the mellow tones of his macassar/sinker guitar (that I built years ago). As far as aesthetics go, he gave me a pretty loose leash. He had a couple of pretty broad requests to work in- some more concrete than others: a sound port(s), armrest, maybe some inlay.

Originally I had brought up the idea of doing all American everything, but he likes gotoh 510's (and so do I), so we are keeping this down to woods- which is challenging enough.

So here are the specs as of right now:
Auditorium shape
Osage orage and walnut 3 piece back
Bear claw sitka spruce top
Walnut neck
Walnut binding and armrest
Desert ironwood fingerboard and bridge
Walnut burl and spalted oak (from his firewood pile) worked in throughout

And here are some pictures to get us started:

https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/590/31...ae28f08d_c.jpg

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/405/31...5deff028_c.jpg

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(Cherry for the back strap)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/430/31...1ae9808e_c.jpg

Originally I was thinking about doing a one piece neck, but I changed my mind and am now doing a multi-ply neck.

https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/618/31...fc0cff9e_c.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/591/31...17e6c456_c.jpg
The plys are walnut, maple, black dyed poplar, and osage orange

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/333/31...ff4b8b3c_c.jpg

Follow along, this ought to be a fun build.

Stevien 12-15-2016 03:51 PM

Great to see this one under way! Chris & I had also talked of him building me a "Pacific Northwest" model, using woods from the Pacific Northwest! This was to be his Concert model, with American Black Walnut back, sides, & neck, with Myrtle trim throughout. Chris was ready & willing, but alas, my pocketbook had some set backs, & the project is put on hold. Chris is very generous with his time & ideas, & I'm still hoping to get the project rolling in the future. I'm excited to see how this "American" model turns out! Some great ideas here!
Steve

Tim McKnight 12-15-2016 06:12 PM

Great looking build Chris and I hope this catches on with more players. There are some really great tone woods right here in the domestic US. We did a similar project for Healdsburg several years ago which we called "Born in the USA".

thomasfelty 12-15-2016 06:46 PM

A few years ago I built a All Michigan guitar. The B&S came from a hard Maple log that buried at the bottom of Lake Arcadia for over 125 years. The top came from a Blue Spruce that was a blow down tree. Bracing for top and back came from the spruce log. The Bridge, head plate, bindings and fingerboard came from a old Walnut tree that was quite figured and very, very hard. For a Maple guitar it had a really good bass response from a Gibson 185 inspired type guitar. I like seeing other woods used for guitar building. In the 80's I built several guitars from Black Locust for side and back's. I used Nutmeg for the tops. The Japanese use Nutmeg wood for Go Boards. Good job Chris. BTW the binding jig works great.

Neil K Walk 12-15-2016 06:46 PM

Very interesting premise, Chris.

Besides the obvious "what wood could I use that ISN'T an 'exotic'" I've also wondered which woods lend themselves to which function. I'll be following this one with interest.

Stevien 12-15-2016 09:03 PM

The hardest part, as I understand it, is finding a domestic wood that takes the place of ebony for the fingerboard. Ebony has the perfect hardness, not to mention color, that makes the perfect backdrop for inlay, or plain.
Steve

The Bard Rocks 12-15-2016 09:21 PM

ebony substitute
 
Here are some suggestions to replace ebony: persimmon, hop hornbeam, ironwood, elm, locust.

Neil K Walk 12-15-2016 09:43 PM

OT: Does walnut work for fretboards and bridges?

cigarfan 12-16-2016 05:14 AM

Should be an interesting project. Thanks for sharing.

j. Kinnaird 12-16-2016 08:35 AM

A lot of the woods from the mesquite family, Texas Ebony, Desert Ironwood work well for fingerboard and bridges. I have a set of microcurl mesquite that I plan to use for back and sides in an all American build. The T. Ebony and D. Ironwood are dark brown and would be a pretty good background for inlay and I feel confident that they would hold frets nicely.

Nice Job Chris. The osage orange and walnut combination is quite creative. Looking forward to seeing this under finish.

Alan Carruth 12-16-2016 12:52 PM

Walnut has been used for fingerboards in the past, but it's pretty soft.

I've used persimmon, American hornbeam, and Soft Shell almond for fingerboards. The almond was the hardest. None of these is black, but Tom Thiel, of Northwind Tone Wood, has been dying persimmon black all the way through. Since it's the American member of the ebony family, he calls it 'Ozark Ebony'. The chemistry has been a bit elusive, and it costs about the same as Indian ebony, but works great.

Welcome to the 'native woods' builders club Chris! Now we need to get a 'native wood' BUYERS club going!

ChuckS 12-16-2016 01:42 PM

Looks like a really nice set of osage orange. Will be watching.

Codfather 12-16-2016 07:02 PM

neck wood
 
Originally I was thinking about doing a one piece neck, but I changed my mind and am now doing a multi-ply neck.

https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/618/31...fc0cff9e_c.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/591/31...17e6c456_c.jpg

Hi Chris ,
Is the board , flatsawn 6/4 material?

Thanks JJ

rwtwguitar 12-17-2016 12:39 AM

I would dearly love to stop using tropical exotics for fingerboards and bridges. But where does one source mesquite or persimmon lumber?


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CaE 12-17-2016 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfelty (Post 5159531)
BTW the binding jig works great.

I'm glad you're getting some good results with the jig.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Carruth (Post 5160282)
Welcome to the 'native woods' builders club Chris! Now we need to get a 'native wood' BUYERS club going!

I've built with maple and quite a bit with walnut in the past. I'm looking forward to broadening my domestic repertoire

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codfather (Post 5160621)
Hi Chris ,
Is the board , flatsawn 6/4 material?
Thanks JJ

Close, It's actually flatsawn 8/4- perfect for multi-ply necks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwtwguitar (Post 5160769)
I would dearly love to stop using tropical exotics for fingerboards and bridges. But where does one source mesquite or persimmon lumber?

I have a friend who runs a wood shop and has some persimmon. Sourcing desert ironwood is what I am working on and it's a challenge for sure.


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