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goldenboy 12-24-2011 11:27 AM

No-nail fingerpicking: use fingers or fingerpicks?
 
My goal for 2012 is to try to become fairly proficient at fingerpicking. I don't have any finger nails and am trying to decide whether or not to just use straight fingers or fingerpicks. Obviously fingerpicks sound much better and more lively.

For those of you that use fingerpicks, is it best just to start with using the picks or get decent at using just your fingers and then introduce the fingerpicks gradually?

tx and Merry Xmas!!!!

ljguitar 12-24-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenboy (Post 2873907)
My goal for 2012 is to try to become fairly proficient at fingerpicking. I don't have any finger nails and am trying to decide whether or not to just use straight fingers or fingerpicks. Obviously fingerpicks sound much better and more lively.

For those of you that use fingerpicks, is it best just to start with using the picks or get decent at using just your fingers and then introduce the fingerpicks gradually?

tx and Merry Xmas!!!!

Hi gb...
I'm an all flesh player with just a hint of nail for accent now and then. Try and convince Laurence Juber that fingerpicks sound better.

I have no need for fingerpicks for controlling tone, attack or volume.



carl365 12-24-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ljguitar (Post 2873993)
Hi gb...
I'm an all flesh player with just a hint of nail for accent now and then. Try and convince Laurence Juber that fingerpicks sound better.

I have no need for fingerpicks for controlling tone, attack or volume.

That's good news Larry, I can't be growing even short nails.

Howard Emerson 12-24-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenboy (Post 2873907)
My goal for 2012 is to try to become fairly proficient at fingerpicking. I don't have any finger nails and am trying to decide whether or not to just use straight fingers or fingerpicks. Obviously fingerpicks sound much better and more lively.

For those of you that use fingerpicks, is it best just to start with using the picks or get decent at using just your fingers and then introduce the fingerpicks gradually?

tx and Merry Xmas!!!!

I have used glued-on plastic tips with, and now without, acrylic, for a really long time. I did play with National fingerpicks and a thumbpick for many years, especially when I played a lot of Dobro.

There are also times when I use nothing because I'm too busy doing wood working. I'll end up breaking/cracking a nail, so why bother. I forced myself to deal with the lack of volume and tone, but I'm better for it.

I no longer use a thumb pick except on the rare 12 string arrangement. I prefer my bass notes to be different sounding than my melody notes.

I would highly suggest getting the Pro Piks with the open finger pad area right from the start. It will feel way less than natural, undoubtedly, but the more you do it, the better you'll get at it.

They are easily adjustable with small needle-nose pliers. It would be best if you could find a store where you could try them on to get the best size for your fingers.

Just get over the fear of the unknown, and of spending about $20 in a worse-case scenario if you make some 'wrong' choices. Long term you'll be very happy going with the picks.

Best of luck with it!

Regards,
Howard Emerson

Monnster 12-25-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenboy (Post 2873907)
Obviously fingerpicks sound much better and more lively.



tx and Merry Xmas!!!!

Merry Xmas to you, I play flesh only. I've never had anyone tell me my playing would sound better if I used fingerpicks. I like not worrying about fake nails,nail care, and fingerpicks, always seemed like too much micro-managing to me. Over the years my fingertips have hardened up on my picking fingers.

I recently saw a guy playing at an open mic. One of his fingerpicks must have twisted or came loose while he was playing. I felt sorry for the guy, it was an instant train wreck.

71jasper 12-25-2011 01:06 PM

This guy has written a fairly complete examination of the subject:

http://daystarvisions.com/Music/Right_hand_tone.html

Davis Webb 12-26-2011 12:59 PM

depends
 
Depends on how comfortable you are with fingerpicking. I would say learn first with no nails, just learn how to finger pick. Then grow some medium length nails, they only have to just be a tad longer than your fingertip...as discussed in that great link above.

If you still need volume, try fingerpicks. I use hard fingerpicks, plastic. You drop them in warm water then put them on to fit them. They never really feel natural.

I mostly use a hard flat pick but keep medium length nails on thumb and first 3 fingers to move into fingerpicking. Nails are a hassle, completely. But you can do things with fingerpicks that are nice. Fingerpicking without nails or picks sounds pretty dull. You wont like it much for long.

Right now I am trying to emulate fingerpicking style with a flat pick. The flat pick has so much it can do that fingerpicks cannot.

larryb 12-26-2011 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ljguitar (Post 2873993)
Hi gb...
Try and convince Laurence Juber that fingerpicks sound better.



Or Kevin Eubanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7QKd6Wlr0

Howard Emerson 12-26-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Davis Webb (Post 2875677)
Depends on how comfortable you are with fingerpicking. I would say learn first with no nails, just learn how to finger pick. Then grow some medium length nails, they only have to just be a tad longer than your fingertip...as discussed in that great link above.

If you still need volume, try fingerpicks. I use hard fingerpicks, plastic. You drop them in warm water then put them on to fit them. They never really feel natural.

I mostly use a hard flat pick but keep medium length nails on thumb and first 3 fingers to move into fingerpicking. Nails are a hassle, completely. But you can do things with fingerpicks that are nice. Fingerpicking without nails or picks sounds pretty dull. You wont like it much for long.

Right now I am trying to emulate fingerpicking style with a flat pick. The flat pick has so much it can do that fingerpicks cannot.

A good friend of mine learned how to use those plastic ones, also by heating and bending. They are indeed clunky, but I think that they squeeze the most tone out of a string.

They're basically heavy plastic flat-picks, so there is a ton of fundamental and hardly any squeak or chatter to speak of.

I like to frail into some of my phrases, and that just ain't gonna happen with a pick that wraps up from under the fingertip, so I have to stick with my glued-on tips.

If only someone made them from Delrin.

HE

Toby Walker 12-26-2011 10:08 PM

Hi GB,

If you're just getting starting out with this style the easiest thing to do is to start out without the fingerpicks and first get used to technique of fingerpicking.

Once you're comfortable with the fingerpicking basics then give fingerpicks and the thumbpick a try... allowing for at least a few weeks to get past the new challenge that using them presents.

At that point you can make up your mind as to whether or not to stay with them... or to use a combination of bare flesh for some songs and FP's for others.

There's no wrong or right way to play in this style... both camps have their positive and negative points. It'll be up to you to decide what suits your individual style.

For the record I've been using steel fingerpicks and plastic thumbpicks since Moses wore short pants but I started out learning the style using just my fingers. The picks suit exactly what I do so I'll stay with them.

jwing 12-27-2011 08:33 AM

I think of fingerstyle guitar playing as having three possibilities: no picks, thumb pick and bare fingers, thumb pick and fingerpicks. The type of music you are playing will determine which is best.

The recommendations I make come from someone who simply can't grow nails sufficiently long/strong enough to use for guitar play.

The great bare finger players we discuss all play amplified, and that makes a huge difference. They probably have fake nails, too. Unamplified, bare flesh can sound dull and quiet. Also, I've found that some guitars are more responsive than others to fingerpicking, some need amplification to sound good, and some just need picks to sing.

My suggestion is that you start with bare fingers and bare thumb.

Then, try adding a thumbpick. I like the Fred Kelly Bumble-bee: http://fredkellypicks.com/bumble-bee.html
and the Fred Kelly Speed: http://fredkellypicks.com/speed.html
Learn how to control the thumbpick tone with palm muting.

Next, add the Fingertone picks as Howard recommended:
http://www.guptillmusic.com/propik/fingertone.html

When you are ready for heavenly fingerpicking tone, try plastic picks, like this:
http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/cle...ic-fingerpicks
Unlike the metal picks that you bend to conform to your fingers, let the plastic tips extend past your fingers. It takes a different mind set to play this way. Think of the picks as leverage tools. Kind of like when you use a wrench to loosen a bolt, you don't need to have your fingers touching the bolt.

All that said, I find fingerpicks to be fussy and uncomfortable, so I've tried to emulate fingerstyle with a flatpick, as Davis Webb said above. But there are things I can do with fingerstyle that I haven't been able to duplicate with a flatpick, so round and round I go.

Steel String 01-18-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard Emerson (Post 2875785)
A good friend of mine learned how to use those plastic ones, also by heating and bending. They are indeed clunky, but I think that they squeeze the most tone out of a string.

They're basically heavy plastic flat-picks, so there is a ton of fundamental and hardly any squeak or chatter to speak of.

I like to frail into some of my phrases, and that just ain't gonna happen with a pick that wraps up from under the fingertip, so I have to stick with my glued-on tips.

If only someone made them from Delrin.

HE

Fred Kelly makes a delrin fingerpick called the freedom fingerpick.

sachi 01-18-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jwing (Post 2876362)
. . .
My suggestion is that you start with bare fingers and bare thumb.

Then, try adding a thumbpick. I like the Fred Kelly Bumble-bee: http://fredkellypicks.com/bumble-bee.html
and the Fred Kelly Speed: http://fredkellypicks.com/speed.html
Learn how to control the thumbpick tone with palm muting.

Next, add the Fingertone picks as Howard recommended:
http://www.guptillmusic.com/propik/fingertone.html

When you are ready for heavenly fingerpicking tone, try plastic picks, like this:
http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/cle...ic-fingerpicks

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I'm currently trying to learn fingerpicking myself. I think I'm doing pretty well with bare fingertips but I'll give some picks a try too, and see what works best for me.

Howard Emerson 01-19-2012 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel String (Post 2904066)
Fred Kelly makes a delrin fingerpick called the freedom fingerpick.

Hi MJ,
I was referring to actual glue-on fingernail tips as made for the 'fake nail' industry, of course.

I have known about the Freedom Fingerpick for quite a while, and I think I've even seen them at a couple of stores. My initial reaction was to dismiss them because of how 'clunky' they look.

But I just went to Fred Kelly's website and watched a little video of an instructor, Lisa McCormick, using them.

They certainly can give the tone that I prefer, which is that of a 'medium gauge' plastic pick striking the string. Lisa's technique is one that I would advise any of my students against using, as she has her fingers ahead of her thumb.

However, the irony is that I've always realized that the further from the saddle you pick the treble strings, the fatter the tone, and the closer to the saddle you pick the bass notes, the more clarity and punch you can get, so despite the way it looks, it's tonally a great idea.

I always try to attack the strings as close to a 90 degrees as possible, and this technique precludes that.

In any case I think I am going to buy a bunch of them, bite down hard, and see what happens. Worst comes to worst I'll have wasted $20 or so, but at least I'll have the possibility of finally being able to pick, frail, and dig in the garden without a care in the world!

Regards,
Howard

bbrown 01-19-2012 08:16 AM

Been using only bare fingers for solo fingerstyle steel string guitar.

I play into a Zoom H4 set at a low recording level, and increase the gain for the final YouTube, and get pretty decent sound with bare fingers...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRuB7...ure=plpp_video

I make furniture, which really destroys my fingernails. I'm ready to try acrylics from a salon - hope to do so next week or so. We'll see how acrylics hold up to that abuse.

--Bill


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