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lmacmil 09-30-2011 01:53 PM

Scale length effect on tone?
 
What effect, if any, does scale length have on tone? I know the shorter scale guitars are supposed to be somewhat easier to play due to lower string tension. Is there any downside regarding the sound, volume- or tone-wise? I am looking at OM guitars, fwiw, e.g., Eastman, Larrivee, RK, etc.

rick-slo 09-30-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lmacmil (Post 2779206)
What effect, if any, does scale length have on tone? I know the shorter scale guitars are supposed to be somewhat easier to play due to lower string tension. Is there any downside regarding the sound, volume- or tone-wise? I am looking at OM guitars, fwiw, e.g., Eastman, Larrivee, RK, etc.

On a true short scale there is less volume and less crisp notes (all else being equal).

sachi 09-30-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rick-slo (Post 2779217)
On a true short scale there is less volume and less crisp notes (all else being equal).

Although that's true, one can question whether it's noticeable to the average ear.

Gypsyblue 09-30-2011 02:42 PM

My ears are shot but I still hear more of a deep, piano like quality coming from my guitars with 25 1/2" scales, and I don't hear as much of that quality from my 24 3/4" guitars. I'm talking electric and acoustic guitars.

donh 09-30-2011 03:12 PM

Yes, scale length can affect tone. Exactly how and which direction it affects it is strictly up to the guitar in question - everything can go any-which-way.

zabdart 09-30-2011 03:48 PM

Long-scale guitars should produce more volume and bass response. Observe the string section in any symphony orchestra for a good example of how scale length affects volume and tone.

mcsmyth9 09-30-2011 04:14 PM

Greetings, The difference between a 25.4in scale length and a 24.9in scale length is 2%. The difference in string tension with a set of PB lights is less then 4% . All things being equal. they never are. I've never heard of a comparison of two guitars that were exactly the same in every way except scale length. I'll be the contrarian here and say that is has never been demonstrated to me that short scale means less volume.
Regards, Brian

Jamie9 09-30-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zabdart (Post 2779340)
Long-scale guitars should produce more volume and bass response. Observe the string section in any symphony orchestra for a good example of how scale length affects volume and tone.

I'm very very confused

Herb Hunter 09-30-2011 04:16 PM

The shorter the scale, the greater the inharmonicity. On guitars, overtones are rarely exact multiples of the fundamental frequency but the longer the scale, the closer the overtones will be to fundamental frequency multiples (the lower the magnitude of inharmonicity). There are other factors that also affect inharmonicity like string flexibility.

zabdart 09-30-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie9 (Post 2779367)
I'm very very confused

Well, did you ever notice how violas have a lower tone than violins... or how cellos have a lower tone than both of them? Longer necks + bigger bodies = more bass response. Simple as that.

mcsmyth9 10-01-2011 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by zabdart (Post 2779640)
Well, did you ever notice how violas have a lower tone than violins... or how cellos have a lower tone than both of them? Longer necks + bigger bodies = more bass response. Simple as that.

Hi, If it were as simple as that, a laminate mandocello would have a better bass response than a Guarneri violin. It's bigger and has a longer scale length, but yet it's never as simple as that. Of course it will produce a lower pitch, but a better bass response? I don't think so. In discussing short scale vs. long scale guitars you are still dealing with instruments that are pitched the same. not orchestral instruments that are pitched differently. My Santa Cruz short scale 00 has far more bass response than my long scale beater Dread. Respectfully, in the realm of musical instruments things are never as simple as that.
Regards, Brian

Tom46 10-01-2011 01:36 AM

Couldn't a builder specifically design a top to be more responsive/have more volumn with a shorter scale length?

How would a double top perform with a shorter scale length?

naolslager 10-01-2011 05:31 AM

I must throw the penalty flag on the word "inharmonicity'. And regarding violins, violas, and cellos. The difference in the body size of the three instruments (or maybe string diameters) probably has more to do with "bass response" than the scale length.

My bet is the average ear is probably indifferent to the scale length of a guitar.

I found myself getting mired in specifications and playing less when it should eb the other way around. As I tell myself: GET BACK TO PLAYING!

Herb Hunter 10-01-2011 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by naolslager (Post 2779698)
I must throw the penalty flag on the word "inharmonicity'. ...

I have no idea what you mean by the above sentence and the rest of your post doesn't elaborate in any way that I can see.

pieterh 10-01-2011 06:00 AM

A guitar builder friend of mine pointed out that electric guitars with string through body as opposed to strings anchored on bridge options on eg Telecaster or Strat etc tend to have a higher tension in the strings due to the increased string length even if the actual vibrating length is unchanged - something to do with the physical properties of the metals and so on.

Not to mention the fact that even if a shorter scale length differs by only ca 2% this difference will be applied to all strings. You only have to loosen one string on a wammy-equipped Strat to realise just how much pull there is on each string as all the others go suddenly sharp!

I have to agree with others who point out that there are other factors at play as well, so if the shorted scale length makes for easier playing (and easier string bending for a given string size) then go for it. I don't experience less volume on shorter scale guitars, on the other hand I do agree that there is a slightly softer quality to the sound - not better, not worse, just different:)


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