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cruz610
02-14-2006, 07:29 PM
What maker and series would you recommend for fingerstyle players? I am moving more and more into this department and my Taylor action is a little high for my taste.

JedimasterPaul
02-14-2006, 07:33 PM
I sincerely hope that the guitar I'm getting built is the best for fingerstyle (for me) :)

To answer your question, I have owned 3 Taylors, all the x14 bodystyle. I thought they were all good for fingerstyle. The action on the ones I had was great right out of the box, and I never had it adjusted.

If you like your Taylor otherwise, you may want to take it in and let a guitar tech adjust the action a tad lower for you.

BLenmark
02-14-2006, 07:41 PM
My 414 CE has been great for fingerstyle. I haven't fooled around with the neck, but did shave the saddle down a couple thousandths. I prefer the action as low as it will go without buzzing on a medium strum (I expect it to buzz on a bluegrass rhythm strum). I use a Gibson Jumbo for a hard strum, and a Martin Dread for everything in between. Were I to only have one guitar for the rest of my life, it wold probably be a Martin Dreadnought (perhaps a D-28)...a great workhorse.

my $0.02

Bret

djeffcoat
02-14-2006, 07:52 PM
I would say that the OM body size or 000s size guitars are ideal for fingerstyle. The OMs usually have a longer scale than the 000. Most of these have a 1 3/4" nut width. I am partial to Collings OMs, in particular an OM3G, but Martin, Santa Cruz, Larrivee, Taylor and lots of independent luthiers make these size guitars. I believe they are better balanced than dreadnoughts.

DJ

woodenkings
02-14-2006, 08:01 PM
cruz610 - how's it goin' - to me a classical guitar does not have a pickguard but thats my thinkin'. i placed my list for classical guitars below - you may want to check out these comany sites. although they may not be available in your area the sites will give you some ideas of what your looking for. to tell you or give you my opinion of what is a good classical guitar - i could not.
alot of people play fingerstyle with a regular guitar with a pickguard which suites them just find. you have to get out their with your budget in mind and see what you like [pickguard or not]. company's from the country of Spain etc. have alot of great classic guitars. good luck.....

hillguitar.com
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goodallguitars.com
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desmondguitars.com
sagamusic.com
hussanddalton.com
petrosguitars.com
pantheonguitars.com
doolinguitars.com
parkerguitars.com [artist model PBE]
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astrummer
02-14-2006, 08:51 PM
' - to me a classical guitar does not have a pickguard but thats my thinkin'.

For the most part probably no pickguard, but the flamenco subset of classical guitars will have a golpeadores (tap plate ) which is the equivalent of a pickguard.

Nelson
02-14-2006, 09:33 PM
I use my 414rce and 514ce for fingerstyle. Both are excellent but the 514ce is the real fingerstyle champ for me. Action, playability and intonation are fanatastic. I'm fixin' to put in an order for a FWI saddle and an West African Hard Ivory nut from Bob Colossi. Bob recxommends these for the 514ce's. He told me that those and a set of Elephant Ivory bridge pins turn the 514 into a fingerstyle monster. So here I go, as the money is there, I'm going to go with his recommendation.

jhchang
02-15-2006, 12:17 AM
What maker and series would you recommend for fingerstyle players? I am moving more and more into this department and my Taylor action is a little high for my taste.
If you think the action is high then just change it. Do you sell your house because carpet is dirty? :rolleyes: :hmm:

ljguitar
02-15-2006, 12:40 AM
Hi Cruz610...
My take on fingerstyle is highly colored from owning a great Olson Dreadnaught Rosewood/Cedar guitar for the past 13 years. It is the best fingerstyle guitar I've played.

I also own a great Bashkin OM - fanned fret Myrtlewood/Italian Spruce a little over a year old which is catching up quickly to the Olson. Actually, it serves me best because of the fanned fret with low pitched open tunings.

I think a great fingerstyle guitar must:
1 - Have low action
2 - Be highly resonant
3 - Sustain forever
4 - Give good feedback to the player
5 - Have great balance tonally

This is not dependent on size or wood makeup.

Bm7b5
02-15-2006, 01:27 AM
Ditto the 514.

Love mine and it is a fingerstyle dream for a steel string. Mahogany/Cedar is soo lush.

That being said, I recently bought an NS32ce and haven't played my 514 in quite some time. For fingerstyle, this is an absolute joy to play. Although I would go 34 were I to do it again, as I am big and the 32 is small.

But the nylon strings on the Taylor neck at 1 7/8 has opened me up to all kinds of new ideas and sounds.

Would highly recommend for someone gravitating towards more finger style playing.

LOTF
02-15-2006, 01:30 AM
I don't play much fingerstyle but my 712ce is the only guitar I've ever sounded half-good trying to play it on. From what I've seen and heard, the Taylor x12s or their equivalents, OOs, are about the best fingerstyle instruments. Go for an Engelmann or cedar top.

Joost Assink
02-15-2006, 04:34 AM
That's easy for me: this is Ryan territory. Kevin Ryan has specialized in fingerstyle guitars and it's the reason I started looking at his guitars in the first place. I think they are the best out there for fingerstyle players.

Just watch and listen to these quick and dirty recordings I did of my Ryan Cathedral. They're videos and they're about 19 Mbs each:

www.familieassink.com/documents/saltwater.wmv
www.familieassink.com/documents/test3.wmv



Here are some wavs. They're big!
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Here's a list of fingerstyle players who play Ryan guitars. That says something:
Laurence Juber
Al Petteway
Muriel Anderson
Pierre Bensusan
Jackson Browne
Michael Chapdelaine
Pat Donohue
Peter Finger
Janis Ian
Amy White
etc...

RedRoom
02-15-2006, 08:11 AM
I really like my Taylor 410 for finger picking. Very balanced and pretty sounding. When I say balanced, I mean that there is no one string that booms over the rest anywhere up the board. It is a slightly understated sound...not that bell like "Taylor" ring. I would guess that the 414s are even better sounding...I just don't personally care for the size.

sdelsolray
02-15-2006, 08:43 AM
I've spent years looking for fingerstyle guitars that I like the most. The ones I have now I guess are keepers, although who knows, that could change. One thing for sure - what I consider "best" for me will likely be different than what is "best" for you.

waynep
02-15-2006, 08:47 AM
I really like my Taylor 410 for finger picking. Very balanced and pretty sounding. When I say balanced, I mean that there is no one string that booms over the rest anywhere up the board. It is a slightly understated sound...not that bell like "Taylor" ring. I would guess that the 414s are even better sounding...I just don't personally care for the size.


I also use my 410 for fingerstyle. Mine is the 410R version. I had the action lowered a touch and went to light-med strings. Sounds great! . . . when someone else plays it :)

wayne

cruz610
02-15-2006, 10:15 AM
If you think the action is high then just change it. Do you sell your house because carpet is dirty? :rolleyes: :hmm:
Well ACTUALLY...;) Plus this is also the result of some major GAS. As for the classical/flamenco guitars, I already own a beautiful classical but that is nylon and I need something with steel strings. Think I will head over to the guitar store when I get a chance and play a couple to get a feel for them. See if they can lower my saddle a tad and maybe that will help.

jkillips
02-15-2006, 10:31 AM
I just spent two weekends in Elderly helping friends shop for instruments that will be used for both, so I play a bunch of fingerstyle on all kinds of guitars. I agree that the Taylor 514 is a favorite. Besides being really pretty, that cedar top is just warm, warm, warm, and the Taylors tend to have a sort of natural resonance, more of an openness, that I really like.

However, for punchier stuff, the Martin 000s and 0Ms I played were also very, very nice sounding. (Funny since until a few weeks ago, I'd never played a Martin I liked.)

If I had a few grand to spend, I'd have a tough time choosing between the 514CE and a Koa-backed Martin 000 (I think) that I played there for fingerstyle.

muzz76
02-15-2006, 10:58 AM
There is no 'best' guitar for fingerstyle..there are however, better matches for individual players.

Do your homework and this is a good place to start. Play as many guitars as you can get your hands on and if off the rack doesn't have the specs you want, talk to players who already own examples of the builder's you're interested in.

Take your time.

Fngrstyl
02-15-2006, 11:16 AM
There is no 'best' guitar for fingerstyle..there are however, better matches for individual players.


I agree, and for me my OMC-28 Laurence Juber works well.

RedRoom
02-15-2006, 11:21 AM
I also use my 410 for fingerstyle. Mine is the 410R version. I had the action lowered a touch and went to light-med strings. Sounds great! . . . when someone else plays it :)

wayne

Good point...I forgot about the string gauge...I also use the lite-medium strings. Big difference.

rick-slo
02-15-2006, 11:24 AM
Best guitar for fingerstyle? There is really no answer to that. You can play fingerstyle on most anything. Preferences in specifics vary from person to person. First get a handle on what your preferences are (or thinking ahead a little, might be). First off what size of guitar is comfortable to hold for long periods while sitting down? Do you want a 12 fret or 14 fret guitar? What fretboard width at the nut? Do you like a lot of overtones or like a purer fundamental tone? You tastes may change with time. You may want to look for a used guitar to save some money.
My own preferences are an OM or thereabouts sized 14 fretter. I like both a complex sound and a clean sound. If I had just one guitar it would probably be a purer toned one with good bass to treble balance.
Rick

jhchang
02-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Yeah there is no "best" in the guitar world, but rather "fit" for your own taste which only you can tell.

StringFive
02-15-2006, 01:46 PM
If you're talking fingerstyle guitars, you've got to include Breedlove in the conversation. I'm not talking about the Korean/Atlas, I'm referring to the Oregon-made Breedloves...without question, excellent fingerstyle guitars.

See mine here:
http://www.movinghandsmusic.com/images/movinghands.jpg

RickI
02-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Ive been playing a D-35 for years, flatpicking, strumming with variants... alternating bass picking...

Few years ago, I wanted to figure out his "fingerstyle" that i loved to hear but had not a clue how to play. And then recently wanted a gutar more condusive to that style.

And bought a Martin JC16GTE... I guess not a "fingeratyle" machine...
But it does have a wider fretboard, which makes a real difference Ive found, and it has a thinner, flatter profile on the neck.. makes it easier to play. Action is a little high... and Im not sure about the "Balance" part..

But the bottom line is... I love playing it.

ljguitar
02-18-2006, 10:59 PM
...And bought a Martin JC16GTE... I guess not a "fingeratyle" machine...
But it does have a wider fretboard, which makes a real difference Ive found, and it has a thinner, flatter profile on the neck.. makes it easier to play. Action is a little high...
Hi Rick...
And that action can be improved as well by having a good setup done.

Bern
02-19-2006, 02:46 AM
However, for punchier stuff, the Martin 000s and 0Ms I played were also very, very nice sounding. (Funny since until a few weeks ago, I'd never played a Martin I liked.)


Right now, I'm very happy with my 000-28EC. I agree, it's a punchy sound, which I like at the moment. Also, it's a very light guitar. It doesn't feel like I'm having a piano on my lap :) , which for me is now a factor (I'm an owner of a Les Paul :D ). It has a nice bass to treble balance.
However, one never knows what's lurking around the corner ! I never played OMC-28 Laurence Juber, which I really would like to take for a spin.

weissguy
02-19-2006, 11:41 AM
I'll second the OM-28LJ Juber model. If you don't need a cutaway, I think the OM-28v I had before the Juber was one of the best guitars I ever owned. A Collings OM would work as well. I recently tried a Goodall parlor and was amazed at how incredible that guitar is. I own a Goodall grand concert already. But my first impressions of the parlor out of the box with fresh strings, it seemed twice as big and loud and beautiful as all the Martins in the shop.

Gilliangirl
02-19-2006, 01:08 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Seagull yet. With their wide neck they really lend themselves well to fingerstyle. I don't play fingerstyle, but my ex did and he loved my Seagull guitar for that.

Ever hear of Peppino D'Agostino? He is an amazing player and Seagull is his guitar of choice.

http://www.seagullguitars.com/peppinodagostino.htm

And, they're reasonably priced. :)

TBman
02-19-2006, 05:51 PM
I was playing a 214-E and it was really nice. It had the 1 11/16 nut though. I think I would prefer the 1 3/4. I'm going to get a new guitar in a couple months and I'm leaning towards a Taylor, but maybe, if I can get a salesman to put nanos on a Martin D-35, that could change, although I don't really want another dreadnaught as I have four already.

RickI
02-19-2006, 06:13 PM
yeah Have heard of Peppino... his Goodbye Robbie is one of my favorites... :-) Didnt kow he played Seagulls