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BreedloveRDMH
08-08-2005, 06:10 AM
Does anyone know? Willie Nelson's Trigger, is that a classical guitar or a standard flat top with nylon strings? I really like the sound that he produces and would like to replicate it. Can you put nylon strings on a steel string guitar? Anyone play silk wound strings, what do you think of them?

Thanks to all

Breedlove '93 RDMH
Breedlove 05' Revival OM Sunburst

dthumb
08-08-2005, 06:28 AM
I'm not sure what Willie does but, Savane and John Pearse both make silk wound strings (manouche) that I use on a Gitane D500. They are steel on the E and B, however, much like what Django Rheinhardt played. Not the same sound as Willie's. You can, however, use nylon stings on the D500. Some do and from what I've read,Rhienhardt did occasionally, as well.

Jeff_L
08-08-2005, 06:36 AM
Willie's Martin in an N-20, nylon stringed classical. You can read about it here:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/SNAMM98/Martin/N-20WN.html

Jeff

Andromeda
08-08-2005, 06:38 AM
According to the Acoustic Guitars Illustrated Encyclopedia (great book by the way) Willie guitar is a 1969 Martin N-20 nylon string classical guitar.

Bern
08-08-2005, 07:01 AM
According to the Acoustic Guitars Illustrated Encyclopedia (great book by the way) Willie guitar is a 1969 Martin N-20 nylon string classical guitar.
With two sound holes :)

Imapickn
08-08-2005, 07:10 AM
According to the Acoustic Guitars Illustrated Encyclopedia (great book by the way) Willie guitar is a 1969 Martin N-20 nylon string classical guitar.
Which he paid 750.00 for in 1969... Yeah !!!

dthumb
08-08-2005, 07:57 AM
Which he paid 750.00 for in 1969... Yeah !!!
That was big bucks for a guitar..even a Martin back then. I had a D18 that I think was $ 400 back then.....I think....very foggy that memory thing.Good Year!!!! :D

woodyboyd
08-08-2005, 09:22 AM
Can you put nylon strings on a steel string guitar?

Breedlove '93 RDMH
Breedlove 05' Revival OM Sunburst



You can put the strings on the guitar. But they will not work. Kinda like putting flat tires on a car.

Hondo
08-08-2005, 09:24 AM
He gets the sound from a Baldwin pickup. He told me that's the secret.

Serenity
08-08-2005, 10:05 AM
I haven't watched Willie play all that much but I'm amazed that he was able to do that kind of damage to the top of his guitar by strumming a nylon....I guess in order to get the sound he wants out of it he's really got to whail on that thing.

Still....one of the coolest guitars ever....having a guitar signed by Roger Miller and Kris Kristofferson and dozens of others would be cool enough....but to be Willie's guitar too...that's awesome. If that thing goes to auction when he dies I'd have to think it will make that "Red Foley" on the other thread look like small change.

crowderfan
08-08-2005, 10:12 AM
With two sound holes :)

I was watching something on TV this weekend about Willie, and they flashed back to some photos of his earlier days. That giant hole has been there for quite a while. I wish I could stick with 1 guitar for that long.....so far my record is about 2 years.

KyleT123
08-08-2005, 10:12 AM
I'm not going to lie - every time I have hear willie's guitar live I think it's sounded like doo-doo. but, you gotta appreciate it's history!

JohnZ
08-08-2005, 10:51 AM
He gets the sound from a Baldwin pickup. He told me that's the secret.

Yeah, it's a very early Baldwin. Once you get your own sound and identity there's no reason to mess with it.

BreedloveRDMH
08-08-2005, 10:56 AM
Thanks to all for your input. I think I have it figured out. I need to make another hole, ad a pickup, whale like hell, practice for about 40 more years, develop my own style, and then I'll have the sound I'm looking for.

you guys are great

woodyboyd
08-08-2005, 11:05 AM
Yep that sounds about right.

Brackett Instruments
08-08-2005, 04:51 PM
You can duplicate Willie's tone pretty close by using a nylon string guitar, a piezo pickup and a flatpick. Willie is one of my all time heroes. I used to get a tone pretty close to his with a steel string(1967 D18), an old Martin/Fishman thinline pickup and silk and steel strings. I still like Willie's music but I'm not as crazy about his tone these days.

Which he paid 750.00 for in 1969... Yeah !!!
It's Brazilian!!!!!!!!

Bm7b5
08-09-2005, 09:58 AM
I saw Willie from row 18 at Red Rocks.

That guy can play guitar, and there was nothing wrong with his tone.

Also, I have seen ALOT of groups, and he is without doubt the hardest working musician I have seen.

In his 70's, and he stood and played non-stop for 2 hours.

jimbo12
02-08-2012, 08:00 PM
Willie played at the Front Row theatre outside of Cleveland, years ago.
I met him when he came in through the back doors, by chance...

He looked at me and said "Hi, I'm Willie Nelson" as he shook my hand.

After the concert, I approached the stage as the roadies were tearing down. I wanted a closer look at Willie's guitar.

As the roadie pulled it off its' stand, I said "is that a hole worn clean through?"

Unbelievably, the roadie responded "ya, ... here check it out" and handed me the guitar!

I stuck 4 fingers on my right hand right into the hole, then played a D chord and a couple of notes.

How cool is that!!!???

I still can't beleive how cool the roadie and Willie were...

Ya' gotta love 'em!

JR

RussMason
02-08-2012, 09:28 PM
When I was in college a guy I knew put steel strings on a classical guitar. Ripped the bridge clean off. I don't think he even got a note out of it.

Putting nylon strings on a steel-string guitar just won't work You will get no sound, or almost no sound. Also, the nylon strings vibrate a lot more than steel, so you will have problems of buzzing, intonation, etc.

The classical and steel string guitars are just two different instruments, so swapping strings won't work.

You are not the first to raise this question - it always comes up.