Left Thumb Fretting....HOW THE HELL...

[BobS]

...Do you do it???? I am trying to learn a piece out of Mark Hanson's fingerstyle book and he recommend fretting the E string with the thumb on all F chords. Not me, Jack. I have tried and tried...these pudgy little hands won't do it. I barre the chord and all is well in China. But do you guys use the thumb for fretting? And is anyone else genetically incapable (as I am) of using it for anything other getting rides from scary truckers....

[Noflatpick]

I normally play F as a full barre chord, using my index finger across all six strings.

But...

I took a class in Delta-style blues picking, ala Robert Johnson, Mississppi John Hurt, etc. and it's very necessary to fret with your thumb when playing that style of music. Not just the low E string but sometimes the A and D also, up and down the neck.

It's much faster than laying your finger across all the strings and in that style of music your other four digits are busy with other things.

I also took a class in Merle Travis' Kentucky Thumb-picking style and for the first time in my life I had a guitar-related blister on the inside of my left thumb clear up where it joins my palm. Hurt like hell to play with it like that until I wrapped my upper thumb with adhesive tape.

I thought about putting in for the Guitar Players Purple Heart. :D :D

[BobS]

ok....now I looking through some questionable web sites in order to find a device that will make my..ahem..

..thumb..

longer...

[Noflatpick]

LOL

I can see it now. The Big John Holmes autograph model Thumb Pump. :eek: :eek: :D

[JW]

I use the thumb to fret a G/F or to just silence the E string. Cant get it on my 12 strings though. JW

[JW]

Originally posted by Noflatpick:
<STRONG>LOL

I can see it now. The Big John Holmes autograph model Thumb Pump. :eek: :eek: :D</STRONG>hahahahahahahaha! JW

[BobS]

Originally posted by Noflatpick:
<STRONG>LOL

I can see it now. The Big John Holmes autograph model Thumb Pump. :eek: :eek: :D</STRONG>

Lessee....Big John Holmes..... is that Mississippi John Holmes?...no no that's John Hurt...

I'm not familier with his body of work. Does he play with a plectrum or primarily fingerstyle? :D :eek:

[Guitar Dad]

Originally posted by Noflatpick:
<STRONG>I normally play F as a full barre chord, using my index finger across all six strings.

But...

I took a class in Delta-style blues picking, ala Robert Johnson, Mississppi John Hurt, etc. and it's very necessary to fret with your thumb when playing that style of music. Not just the low E string but sometimes the A and D also, up and down the neck.

It's much faster than laying your finger across all the strings and in that style of music your other four digits are busy with other things.

I also took a class in Merle Travis' Kentucky Thumb-picking style and for the first time in my life I had a guitar-related blister on the inside of my left thumb clear up where it joins my palm. Hurt like hell to play with it like that until I wrapped my upper thumb with adhesive tape.

I thought about putting in for the Guitar Players Purple Heart. :D :D</STRONG>


Agreed. I'm learning Delta blues right now, and while I am pleased as punch to finally be able to play a full F barre chord, I do like having my first finger free from the barre. I can't quite reach the A string yet, but I'm workin' on it!

[Noflatpick]

Bob S: "Not familiar with his body of work?"

HAHAHAHAHA

I went to a bachelor party years ago where they were showing one of his instructional videos.

A most unique style. :D :eek: :D :eek:

[Shea]

Hey Bob, I'm with you on this one. I couldn't get my thumb on that string if my life depended on it! I've tried and tried. I have medium size hands and it just doesn't work. Is there a secret to this that someone wants to share, or are we just genetically &*%$#$?! :eek: :eek: Help anyone?

Shea

[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: Shea ]

[kenliu]

I have a hard time thumbing the F on the E string, but I routinely mute and play F# with my thumb. I will occasionally even mute the A string with my thumb as well.

I'm surprised you guys are having a tough time with it, since the slim Taylor neck profile makes it especially easy. You might need to curl your other fingers a bit more and hold the neck further into the palm of your hand.

Playing the F as a full barre can really slow you down, the thumb is a great alternative, if you can pull it off. Oh well, not all of us have super long fingers like Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix.

Ken

[BobS]

and let's not forget that other unsung strummer, Mississippi John Holmes and his tortoise shell plectrum. :eek: :eek:

[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: BobS ]

[stevemc]

Bob & Shea -
I don't know if this helps but to get the E string fretted with my thumb I turn my hand slightly so the heal of my left hand is actually against the back of the neck. It seems to allow me to apply a little more pressure to get my thumb hooked over the string.
I've never been very good a barre cords, just can't seem to get 'em fast enough. Besides I've never figured out how to fret the low E and do a hammer or pull-off on the hi E or B without using my thumb on the low E. :) Need about three more fingers! :D
SM

[gmccall]

Dear BobS and All,

How can I say this...Thumb Fretting...

...Do you do it???? I am trying to learn a piece out of Mark Hanson's fingerstyle book and he recommend fretting the E string with the thumb on all F chords.

Do I do it? Mark Hanson recommends this on "ALL" F barre chords?

I'm not trying to be dogmatic. Maybe I am old fashioned, but every guitar teacher I ever had, and in every reputable course book I ever owned, using the thumb in this mannor is portrayed as being "a very bad habit". I do not teach it and I've never done it in Travis, Atkins, or general finger style.

Now...oddly enough, that being said, if it is a question of one's physical limitations, or a necessary "form function" of a particular and personally unique style, I accept it for those specific purposes.

Other than that, I mean no dogmatic or high-browed inference when I say that from what I have learned in over 40 years of playing, various professional music instructions involving correct techniques, and practical applications, it is not accepted as proper form and should not become a part of one's general technique.

Respectfully,
-grm

[stevemc]

grm -

You certainly have more experience than I so I'm curious, how do you fret the low E string on the 1st fret (F) and on the same beat play an open B (pinch)& hammer the 1st fret on the B string (C) without using the thumb on the low E string?

I guess it depends on the style and type of music you play. I've also heard it's a "bad habit" but not doing it would put limitations on what I'm able to play.

It reminds me of a story I heard about someone once asking Chet Atkins about why he didn't try to use the "proper" classical playing position when holding his guitar rather than his hunched over posture. In Chets typically modest style he replied "I guess I'll always just be a hunched over guitar player."

I guess I'll always just be a "thumb fretting" guitar player." :D
SM

[BobS]

I don't know how to 'esplain how I do it... but over the years I have somehow been able to hammer and pull-off under a barred chord. Usually it requires being very selective about what strings I strike. And sometimes since the pull-offs are obviously done as I am "leaving" that chord, I may use whatever finger is handy to accomplish it. (this doesn't sound very scientific does it....?)

:rolleyes: Bob

[stevemc]

Bob -
That's amazing! :) I think doing it automatically without really being able to explain how means it's just become a natural motion for you. Who says it has to be scientific. Guitar playing is an art, not a science. :D Anyway, I still can't do a hammer on or pull off under a barred cord. Woe is me, something else to try to learn! Havin' fun though!! :)
SM

[trombone]

I've seen a number of *wow* players who used their thumbs with great ease and dexterity. Looked funny at first, but the sound is what matters.
There's a little ditty that I play using my thumb on the E string. Just seems easier to finger. When I get to the end, the final chord is G. It feels like I don't have enough time to get my fingers around for the "proper" fingering, so I zip my first finger over the top to play the B. How's that for improper?
To switch back and forth, I kind of roll my wrist more towards the top for the thumb usage.

[Guitar Dad]

Originally posted by Noflatpick:
<STRONG>I normally play F as a full barre chord, using my index finger across all six strings.

But...

I took a class in Delta-style blues picking, ala Robert Johnson, Mississppi John Hurt, etc. and it's very necessary to fret with your thumb when playing that style of music. Not just the low E string but sometimes the A and D also, up and down the neck.

It's much faster than laying your finger across all the strings and in that style of music your other four digits are busy with other things.

I also took a class in Merle Travis' Kentucky Thumb-picking style and for the first time in my life I had a guitar-related blister on the inside of my left thumb clear up where it joins my palm. Hurt like hell to play with it like that until I wrapped my upper thumb with adhesive tape.

I thought about putting in for the Guitar Players Purple Heart. :D :D</STRONG>

You should check this guy out. Solid fingerstyle blues player. Last two CDs has MJH and Blind Willie McTell covers.

Peter Keane (http://www.peterkeane.com)

[Noflatpick]

Hey Dad: Thanks for the heads-up on Keane. I've heard his name before but never listened to any of his music.

After just now listening to several samples on Amazon I ordered two of his CDs.

That's mighty good stuff. :D

[Daryl]

I have relatively long and skinny fingers with big callouses and I am able to play the F chord (as well as the other ones up the neck) by using my index finger on the first and second strings, my second finger (ring)on the third string, my third finger (middle) on the fourth and fifth strings and then use my thumb on the sixth. This leaves my pinky finger open to do the variations.

[CatchtheCat]

I'm depressed, Apparently I am digitally challenged as my stumpy thumb would never reach around a neck to play a string. (unless the neck was 1 inch wide and the strings were an 1/8"apart)

My appendages are way to short...which is more information than you guys need to know.

[Noflatpick]

I think I heard about your short appendages on the Montel Williams show. Or was it on Maurey Povitch? Paul Harvey?

I can't remember where I heard it, but most everybody knows about it. :eek: :eek:

[BobS]

....yeh

but notice you said appendageS!!!!

:p

[JW]

I think they have a pill for that now,hehe! JW

[stevemc]

Heck - I had mine taken out years ago! :D