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mercy
11-23-2012, 05:11 PM
So I cant find it anymore. Hardward stores and the lighter fluid doesnt say naptha any more either. What can we use now that is safe like naptha?

billyfamilyvide
11-23-2012, 05:27 PM
http://i50.tinypic.com/2q0o7dv.gif

Warren
11-23-2012, 05:31 PM
Paint stores and most hardware stores will have VM&P Naphtha. Ronsonol no longer lists naphtha as an ingredient, as you mentioned.

Bingoccc
11-23-2012, 05:34 PM
I think it may be California specific.

NoPicks
11-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Paint stores and most hardware stores will have VM&P Naphtha

Yep, that's the stuff to look for

I get mine at Home Depot, but have also seen it at Lowe's
A little less than $10/quart, and that much will probably last for years

Misty44
11-23-2012, 05:42 PM
the lighter fluid doesnt say naptha any more either.

Ronsonol Lighter Fluid was purchased by Zippo in 2010, and since then has used the original Zippo formula found in Zippo branded lighter fluid. Although Zippo removed the "Contains Naphtha" label from the bottle, it still contains it as recorded on the MSDS:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk239/thompsondvd/Guitar%20Tips%20Repairs%20Modifications/RonsonolMSDS.jpg

Naphtha's not a single chemical, but a petroleum distillate. As far as I could tell from my inquiries when I first discovered the change-over to Zippo, the ingredients are just as effective and safe as the old Ronsonol formula, label or not label.

I cant find it anymore

I get mine at my local CVS Pharmacy.

mc1
11-23-2012, 06:07 PM
the vm&p naptha msds sheet (http://hazard.com/msds/mf/baker/baker/files/p1696.htm) lists it as 90-100% naptha, whereas the ronsonol msds sheet lists it as 30% naptha.

Kevin A
11-23-2012, 06:12 PM
naptha, where have you gone
South of Yountville; thame place as always.....Thilly boy.

http://www.scbs.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/napa-valley-sthelena-map.jpg

J-Doug
11-23-2012, 06:37 PM
Now that my Ronsonol has run out, I have and use Coleman Camping Fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel which 100% naphtha (aka white gas). Says nothing but naphtha on the label. Master luthier Bruce Sexuaer turned me onto it. That's what he uses.

mercy
11-23-2012, 07:03 PM
Yes, I live in CA and no naptha in Home Depot etc. Good to know about the new Ronsonal cause that was what I used. Since it is 30% naptha and fuel
is 100% maybe thats too strong.

mc1
11-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Now that my Ronsonol has run out, I have and use Coleman Camping Fuel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel which 100% naphtha (aka white gas). Says nothing but naphtha on the label. Master luthier Bruce Sexuaer turned me onto it. That's what he uses.

i'm confused.

the wikipedia article has this:
Coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclohexane), nonane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonane), octane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane), heptane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptane), and pentane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentane).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel#cite_note-3)

but the reference is to a msds datasheet on coleman's site that is no longer accessible.

the msds sheet i did find, http://zenstoves.net/MSDS/Coleman.htm, mentions the sole ingredient as Light Hydrotreated Distillate, which was the other 70% of ronsonol. what gives?

smpetty
11-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Why is everyone using so much naptha? Seriously, I feel like I'm missing something. I've used it once or twice to cleanup after a pickguard removal or pickguard change, but that's about it....

Scott

mc1
11-23-2012, 08:03 PM
Why is everyone using so much naptha? Seriously, I feel like I'm missing something. I've used it once or twice to cleanup after a pickguard removal or pickguard change, but that's about it....

Scott

i bath my guitars in it once a week. seriously though, where did you get the notion we are using lots of naptha?

Long813
11-23-2012, 08:18 PM
i bath my guitars in it once a week. seriously though, where did you get the notion we are using lots of naptha?

I bath my self in it once a week. I don't think it much, I mean I could be doing it daily.

mc1
11-23-2012, 08:39 PM
I bath my self in it once a week. I don't think it much, I mean I could be doing it daily.

:lol: i'm sure you are generally gunk free, although i don't really know the intensity of your lifestyle. for me, as i get older, a simple naptha sponge bath on the solstices suffices.

DanPanther
11-23-2012, 08:55 PM
I use it on stage once in awhile but a can should last for years.
Dan :D

Zigeuner
11-23-2012, 09:15 PM
Yes, I live in CA and no naptha in Home Depot etc. Good to know about the new Ronsonal cause that was what I used. Since it is 30% naptha and fuel
is 100% maybe thats too strong.

Ronsonol lighter fluid is readily available in California and it contains naptha. It's an excellent cleaning fluid. Walmart has it and it's very cheap.

mercy
11-26-2012, 05:27 PM
Ronsonal used to say "contains Naptha". Since Zippo bought the company the can no longer says that. What is does say is "light petroleum distalate". I dont know what that is. Maybe it is a code word to keep them out of trouble with state authorities. Previously someone said to use Coleman fuel which is 100% Naptha. Seems too strong to me if Ronsonal was just some part Naptha. Can anyone give a difinitive answer or recommend something safe to do a good cleaning on a guitar. I am not talking about polishing.

rmyAddison
11-26-2012, 05:50 PM
I bought a gallon years ago, keep it in the garage, it will outlive me......;)

NoPicks
11-26-2012, 06:35 PM
Why is everyone using so much naptha? Seriously, I feel like I'm missing something. I've used it once or twice to cleanup after a pickguard removal or pickguard change, but that's about it....

I'm not the kind of person who will turn up his nose at a good deal on a used instrument just because the former owner was a smoker. What some folks see as a deal-breaker, I see as a golden opportunity. Sometimes they need some serious cleanup. Just to give one example, the instrument in the pic shown below was willed to me by an old and dear friend who died a few years back. As you can see, he was a heavy smoker who also liked to keep his guitars out of their cases most of the time - usually hanging on the wall when not actually being played

Outside of the "organic cosmoline" coating, this instrument was in Mint condition

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww303/Nepomuk69/asfound042.jpg

After about an hour's worth of careful cleaning with naptha, every bit of that crud came off, leaving the entire guitar sparkling clean. No damage whatsoever to the finish. I don't have any "after" pics handy but take my word for it: the entire neck is now the same light maple color as you see where the tuners covered the finish

I wouldn't part with that instrument for a million dollars

RIP Carl

Thanks for all the good times we shared, and the nice axe too :up:

XYRN
11-26-2012, 06:41 PM
South of Yountville; thame place as always.....Thilly boy.

http://www.scbs.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/napa-valley-sthelena-map.jpg

No silly man, it's in Brunswick County, Virginia.
Linky (http://virginia.hometownlocator.com/va/brunswick/naptha.cfm)
:p