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billder99
12-18-2011, 05:37 PM
I am used to playing classical width guitars (2" nut). I got my first steel string, a gem of an Eastman E10P with a 1-13/16" nut... WONDERFUL for fingerstyle and very light strumming, muddy for harder strumming.

I want a loud, hard strummer set up with med-heavy tension strings, 1-7/8" nut, 2-5/16" saddle... I know of the Larrivee SD 50/60, and I know I can order custom from many luthiers. Are there any other options close to these specs anyone is aware of?

ljguitar
12-18-2011, 06:22 PM
I am used to playing classical width guitars (2" nut). I got my first steel string, a gem of an Eastman E10P with a 1-13/16" nut... WONDERFUL for fingerstyle and very light strumming, muddy for harder strumming.

I want a loud, hard strummer set up with med-heavy tension strings, 1-7/8" nut, 2-5/16" saddle... I know of the Larrivee SD 50/60, and I know I can order custom from many luthiers. Are there any other options close to these specs anyone is aware of?
Hi bill-der...
Several 12 fret slope shoulder Martin dreads.

Here's one a friend of mine plays…

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/175/421603194_f2305b4fe6.jpg

Hope this helps...

JannieA
12-18-2011, 07:28 PM
What do you mean by the term slope shoulder?

ljguitar
12-18-2011, 08:03 PM
What do you mean by the term slope shoulder?
Hi JannieA...
Take a look at the upper body (where the neck joins with the body) and compare it with a standard D-18/D-28 etc. body…

I think this outline diagram may help…

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/158/403865777_2e854dfb2a_o.jpg

SuperB23
12-18-2011, 08:25 PM
The Martin Ditson 111 is an awesome option that fits the bill. Think D-18GE or Authentic meets 12 fret 1 7/8" nut width.

MikeD
12-18-2011, 09:24 PM
The Martin Ditson 111 is an awesome option that fits the bill. Think D-18GE or Authentic meets 12 fret 1 7/8" nut width.

The GE & Authentics have 1 3/4" nuts.

I know this is probably way above your budget, but it's a pretty seriously good guitar... http://www.themusicemporium.com/product-detail/product/blazer-henkes-atlanta-d-28s.html

JannieA
12-19-2011, 01:59 AM
Thanks, and the diagrams help.

billder99
12-20-2011, 06:43 PM
[size=2]... Several 12 fret slope shoulder Martin dreads.

Hi Larry,

I like to think I am reasonably up to speed on Martins line, but not on this... what model is 12 fret SS with 1-7/8" nut, 2-5/16 saddle (mas o menos)? Regular dread with wide neck would also work for me.

PS: Many excellent members on the AGF forum, but few who take the time you do to consistently provide polite, complete, reasoned responses... thanks for the time and experience you share.

Guys, Martin Ditson and $12,000 customs are sadly WAY out of my humble budget range. I could afford maybe $2,000.

ljguitar
12-20-2011, 07:04 PM
Hi Larry,

I like to think I am reasonably up to speed on Martins line, but not on this... what model is 12 fret SS with 1-7/8" nut, 2-5/16 saddle (mas o menos)? Regular dread with wide neck would also work for me.

PS: Many excellent members on the AGF forum, but few who take the time you do to consistently provide polite, complete, reasoned responses... thanks for the time and experience you share.

Guys, Martin Ditson and $12,000 customs are sadly WAY out of my humble budget range. I could afford maybe $2,000.
Hi bill...
Thanks for the kind things you said.

The D-18D pictured above is supposedly a 1 7/8'' nut and I'm not sure about the saddle width/spacing.

My friend Martin (the young man playing it) is 6 feet 4 inches tall will very long fingers, and it fits him well. The fingerboard doesn't look as wide when he's playing it as when I am.

It was not a custom order. I don't know how often Martin modifies their production runs and specs on their oft-produced models, but there have been Martins with 1 3/4" and 1 7/8" since the 30s. They even did some of their orchestra models with the 1 7/8" nut.

I had a student who a 1950s D-35S and it had the 1 7/8" nut.

And Martin 12 string guitars normally have a 1 7/8" nut, I believe.





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tadol
12-20-2011, 08:05 PM
You might also look at 000s, many of which are 12 fret and have a 1-13/16" nut, and 2-5/16 saddles -

bohemian
12-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Try a used Martin D-18 S ,,, many were 1 7/8 ths nut width
Under $2k should be no problem.

I owned such a guitar as well as a 1969 D-35S with 1 7/8ths.

My current version is a custom D-18Sv or VS with a 1 13/16ths nut
and a solid peghead, adirondack top.

vintage bass
12-21-2011, 01:28 AM
The Martin D-28s, 18S, and 35S that were made until around 1990. had the 1 7/8" nut width.

Benoit Trow
12-21-2011, 01:29 AM
they've had this one a while and just put it on clearance. i've played other ditsons, in chicago, california and even london (uk), but this one is beyond words, loud as a cannon, beautiful tone/string separation, headroom to spare and plays like "butta".

http://www.makenmusic.com/product.cfm?prodID=133&catID=3

keep us posted

billder99
12-22-2011, 05:33 AM
they've had this one a while and just put it on clearance...

Thanks for the link... great price on possibly the best Dread in the world... I would have to take out a mortgage on my Mother in Law... she's a good cook, any willing investors?... I'll throw in a hound dog that fetches the morning paper.

Michael T
12-22-2011, 05:57 AM
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Larrivee SD's have the 1 7/8th's nut and offer a completely different tone to add to your choices, outstanding guitars with a very across the board balance that makes them very record able.

http://www.larrivee.com/instruments/acoustics/60/SD60.php

mstuartev
12-22-2011, 07:26 AM
the Martin CEO-6 and CEO-6 are slope shoudered Dreads with wide nut widths (1.75"
EAstman also makes a dandy slope with 1.75" widths
I'd say the Larrivee SD-50 would be a winner and more modestly priced than some options

llew
12-22-2011, 08:56 AM
the Martin CEO-6 and CEO-6 are slope shoudered Dreads with wide nut widths (1.75"
EAstman also makes a dandy slope with 1.75" widths
I'd say the Larrivee SD-50 would be a winner and more modestly priced than some options

I'm waiting on delivery today of the limited run Larrivee SD-03 in walnut. It's similar to the SD-50/60 without the slotted head stock. And of course the satin "03" finish. First 12 fretter I've owned. Looking forward to it as I'm already in the Larrivee Camp!

mstuartev
12-22-2011, 09:04 AM
I'm waiting on delivery today of the limited run Larrivee SD-03 in walnut. It's similar to the SD-50/60 without the slotted head stock. And of course the satin "03" finish. First 12 fretter I've owned. Looking forward to it as I'm already in the Larrivee Camp!

Walnut is an under-rated and under utilized tone wood. I had a Petros with black walnut B/S and I thought it was wonderful. I prefer mahogany, but walnut sort of straddled the line and still kept that nice fundamental tone (without being TOO lush or TOO 'overtoney.' Of course each guitar, builder, and guitar size will react differently. Should be a winner. Larrivees can be a bit tight at first, so play the heck out of it and let it break in. Should be satisfying!
Mark

llew
12-22-2011, 10:56 AM
Walnut is an under-rated and under utilized tone wood. I had a Petros with black walnut B/S and I thought it was wonderful. I prefer mahogany, but walnut sort of straddled the line and still kept that nice fundamental tone (without being TOO lush or TOO 'overtoney.' Of course each guitar, builder, and guitar size will react differently. Should be a winner. Larrivees can be a bit tight at first, so play the heck out of it and let it break in. Should be satisfying!
Mark

It's very satisfying! Just took delivery and I'm amazed at the tonal quality of this 12 fretter. It does feel a little different than the 14 fret slope dreads with the longer body but the sound is really more lush it seems? The decay isn't as quick as mahogany but it has good sustain without being boomy or "overtoney" like rosewood can be. I can highly recommend the SD-03 and for the $ it's awesome! (IMO)

kiowa1
12-22-2011, 11:03 AM
You may also want to look into the Seagull line of dreads (S6). At 1.8", their necks are a bit wider than what is usually found on dreads. Great guitars with excellent sound and good quality control. ;)