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Sleehrat
04-02-2011, 06:30 AM
Looking for a dread that has that mellow dry sound but at a price point lower than a new or even used J45. ain't the recession great?

Thanks all!

lennylux
04-02-2011, 06:35 AM
If it's really a J-45 you're after you may be better to save a little longer, buying a 'settle for this one' guitar often leads to you buying what you wanted in the first place, thus spending more in the long run.

I suppose the recession is as much about spending wisely as it is about spending less.

wildbill1962
04-02-2011, 07:48 AM
Looking for a dread that has that mellow dry sound but at a price point lower than a new or even used J45. **** - ain't the recession great?

Thanks all!

Howdy, Like you I wanted a Gibson, but just was not able to find one that I could afford. So I started going around and playing other slope shoulder dreads in my price range.

I found a Blueridge BG140 (there slope shoulder copy) and to me it sounded like is should have Gibson on the headstock instead of Blueridge. Maybe I just found a good one, but if you get a chance, try out the Blueridge line of slope shoulder dreads.

Have a great weekend
Bill

ecw21
04-02-2011, 07:55 AM
My Seagull S6 has a lot of the characteristics of my J45. Woody, dry, and pretty fundamental. Fairly loud, too. It certainly isn't the same but a good guitar, nonetheless.

The headstock couldn't be more different, though...thank goodness that it has good tone cuz it sure ain't a looker--hard to beat that sexy Gibson sunburst!

Hope that helps,

Eric

GibbyPrague
04-02-2011, 07:56 AM
Sorry, but a J-45 is a J-45. Nothing out there that's like it.

I'd suggest look at a used J-30 which is a plane Jane J-45.

frenchie
04-02-2011, 08:21 AM
You could try hunting down a used Gibson WM-45 (Working man), these were basically a stripped down J-45, same woods for neck and body, but with plain bindings, a belly down bridge, and Morado wood for the fingerboard. A good one is a very fine guitar indeed.

Steve.

Ed422
04-02-2011, 08:26 AM
Blueridge BG-140. The one I had was better than several *modern* J-45's it was a/b'd with. This was at a weekend guitar get together and everyone there agreed. If I played big guitars, that is one I'd have kept.

Ed

zooropamofo
04-02-2011, 08:28 AM
I love my Gibson J45, and nothing could replace it, but you may want to check out the Recording King line, specifically the slope-shoulder line, models RAJ-26 and RAJ-27. I've heard good things about these guitars.

I also own an Epiphone Masterbilt AJ500M, Sitka/Mahogany which is their version of a J45 slope-shoulder vibe, keep it mind that it is standard scale and not the short-scale of the J45. Great guitar though, wonderful projection, a real cannon. It is also available in a Sitka/Rosewood version the AJ500R.

I've also seen and played the Epiphone Elitist J45. Though it appeared to be very well constructed, it just didn't have the vibe that the Gibson did when I A/B'd them. Having said that, the price was 1/2, so it may be well worth it to some.

Good luck.

bjewell
04-02-2011, 08:34 AM
Easy, any of the slope-shouldered solid-wood dreads by Recording King. I have the RAJ-27 which is a rosewood version. It totally nails the Gibson sound, has more volume and is better made. You can find them around $xxx and worth every penny...



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downtime
04-02-2011, 08:44 AM
+1 for the Blueridge BG140

patticake
04-02-2011, 08:53 AM
personally i feel that nothing has that j45 sound but a j45. you can get a part of it from the blueridge bg-140 - my husband, who owns a j45 and loves 'em all was playing a bg-140 and pointed out to me that it had some of the j45 growl. playing the bg0140 several more times didn't change his mind. he also feels that the epiphone hummingbird has some of that growl. i'm on the fence about that one, but you could give it a try.

me, i'd save up and get the real thing.

Alberto
04-02-2011, 09:12 AM
Watch your local Craigslist, they come up & I've seen them sit on list for awhile at quite reasonable prices, close to 4 digits. It's a recession, hence a buyers market for used goods.

Tunes
04-02-2011, 09:18 AM
I think a good used Guild, like a D-40, or even a D-6 would be a good bet to get you very close to that sound without the price. Nice dry woody sound with lots-o thump.

cc132
04-02-2011, 09:20 AM
It's an AJ instead of a J-45, but have you seen this in the classifieds?

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212279

rdube
04-02-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm not sure what the difference is between a 35 and 45 but this could be worth a look:
http://collingsforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/55660426/m/9080090026

Misifus
04-02-2011, 09:56 AM
A Bugatti will go 250mph, but they cost too much. Can I find another car that will go that fast, but cost a lot less?

-Raf

bjewell
04-02-2011, 10:25 AM
A J-45 is no Bugatti...

cc132
04-02-2011, 11:03 AM
I'm not sure what the difference is between a 35 and 45 but this could be worth a look:
http://collingsforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/55660426/m/9080090026

This is the second place I've seen this listing, and I hate that guitar so, so, so much. Not because there's anything wrong with it, but because it's pretty much exactly what I wanted before I bought my National--and at an unbelievably price.

Had I just waited a few more weeks, that Jubal would be on its way to my house as we speak.

Sleehrat
04-03-2011, 08:16 AM
[QUOTE=bjewell;2569100]Easy, any of the slope-shouldered solid-wood dreads by Recording King. I have the RAJ-27 which is a rosewood version. It totally nails the Gibson sound, has more volume and is better made. You can find them around $xxx and worth every penny...

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I checked these out online. Wonder if there is a significant difference beween these and the Blueridge ones? I have a BG60 which is really great and sounds like a terrific . . . Martin. I am looking for a good, short scale dread for solo/duo work that won't overpower a single voice or duet. This will compliment my Martin SWOMGT which is a terrific fingerstyle guitar.

I don't disagree with the comments that a "J45 is a a J45 and there isn't a true subsitute." Perhaps I should have title this thread "Looking for a thumpy, soft-toned, warm dreadnought" to be a bit more accurate.

Likely I will check out the BR140 and the RAJ26. The Seagull suggestion is interesting too. And continue to buy a lottery ticket or two each week -- hey, it only takes a dollar and a dream (of a J45).

Thanks all!

davenumber2
04-03-2011, 09:12 AM
Sorry, but a J-45 is a J-45. Nothing out there that's like it.

I'd suggest look at a used J-30 which is a plane Jane J-45.

The J-30 is actually a plane jane Hummingbird, but a good guitar none the less.

sfden1
04-03-2011, 12:46 PM
The J-30 is actually a plane jane Hummingbird, but a good guitar none the less.

I assumed TaylorPrague was thinking J-50 and just mis-typed? Anyhoo, I would
look for a used J-50. That Jubal looks nice, and I've heard good things about them. Never tried one though.

Dennis

SpruceTop
04-03-2011, 12:57 PM
Looking for a dread that has that mellow dry sound but at a price point lower than a new or even used J45. ain't the recession great?

Thanks all!

Save up and spend about an extra three-hundred clams and get a Gibson Custom Shop J-45 model. These are short-run variations of Gibson models, usually commissioned by a large music store (local or online), that usually have better-grade tonewoods and more careful craftsmanship than the standard Gibson models. The Custom Shop models WILL generally sound noticeably better than the standard models! Quite often, the Custom Shop models will also have vintage-style open-back tuners, different tonewoods and finishes, as well as maybe the "Banner" headstock. Do not go for the "uber" Custom Shop models as they will cost a fortune! Get the variation Custom Shop models that, as I mentioned, will only cost a few hundred clams more than the standard models.;)

Regards,

SpruceTop

GibbyPrague
04-03-2011, 01:07 PM
Actually I was thinking of WM-45, got a bit confused, thanks lads.

I assumed TaylorPrague was thinking J-50 and just mis-typed? Anyhoo, I would
look for a used J-50. That Jubal looks nice, and I've heard good things about them. Never tried one though.

Dennis

Gham
04-03-2011, 02:28 PM
Sorry, but a J-45 is a J-45. Nothing out there that's like it.

I'd suggest look at a used J-30 which is a plane Jane J-45.

I disagree,I've played J-45's from different era's and they were night and day in feel and sound.It wasn't a question of cured or mellowed wood either.
Go grab a 2010 or 11 J-45 off the shelf and play it.Then a/b it to an Epi masterbuilt or BR or Recording King.They are all over the place!!!

GibbyPrague
04-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Youre missing the point. Its not about consistency of J-45's as they do vary.

Its about the overall tone, there simply isnt a substitue for the tone of a good sounding J-45.

And were not assuming he wants a dodgy J-45, but referring to the good ones.

I disagree,I've played J-45's from different era's and they were night and day in feel and sound.It wasn't a question of cured or mellowed wood either.
Go grab a 2010 or 11 J-45 off the shelf and play it.Then a/b it to an Epi masterbuilt or BR or Recording King.They are all over the place!!!

SpruceTop
04-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Buying a Gibson Custom Shop variation of a standard Gibson model all but assures the buyer of getting an excellent-toned guitar--often at only a few hundred clams more than the standard model! I'm offering good advice as a result of much-spent capital!;)

Regards,

SpruceTop

patticake
04-03-2011, 04:35 PM
you'll want to check the bg-140, not the br-140.

i'm one of the seagull s6's biggest fans, but it just don't deliver the thump or the growl. it's got a very different - and lovely - sound.

[QUOTE=bjewell;2569100]Likely I will check out the BR140 and the RAJ26. The Seagull suggestion is interesting too. And continue to buy a lottery ticket or two each week -- hey, it only takes a dollar and a dream (of a J45).

Thanks all!

surfoxy
04-03-2011, 04:38 PM
Played this for a minute yesterday, fun guitar!

http://gryphonstrings.com/instpix/35723/357231.jpg

Costs a good bit less than new, but no cheapie.

bohemian
04-03-2011, 05:05 PM
bjewell:

Howdie from So Oregon
I completely gave up button boxes and back to guitars and banjos
Where are you now ?


I bought a 1946 J45 in 1965.... stolen in 67

I spent 40 years looking for a replacement. I found it a couple years ago...
a WM-45 in mint condition w/original case. Very fine guitar.

I sold it 2 months ago.. time to move on to smaller bodied guitars.
I regret the sale. I mean dumb move.

And yes, they are every bit a J45, just simpler.... Morado is another name for pao ferro, caviuna and Bolivian Rosewood ( in spite of it not being a rosewood) Same quality mahogany (unstained) backs and sides,, same sitka top...

This is called the "working man's" guitar much as the J 45 is the "workhorse guitar"

Oddly the WM working man guitar came stock with pimped up gold Grovers.. seemed a bit odd and incongruous..

A good used one can be had for $XXX-XXXX

Some were all matte finish some had gloss tops, such as mine, and a very few rare sunburst units.

A J-45 is more like a Chevy truck than a Bugatti

The Bugatti of guitars has yet to be made. Think Carbon fibre with class.