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Gypsyblue
02-21-2011, 12:18 PM
I devoured this book when it came out a few years back: http://www.amazon.com/Claptons-Guitar-Watching-Henderson-Instrument/dp/0743266358 I even called Wayne and got on the list.

Does anyone know what became of that guitar? Did it become Clapton's favorite or anything like that?

arie
02-21-2011, 12:39 PM
according to the book, getting on the list and getting the guitar are two different things. how are you with nagging, wheedling, and bribery? :)

i'd like to know what happened to the guitar too

enalnitram
02-21-2011, 12:56 PM
Nobody does. Except for Eric.

I devoured that book too. I forget how it happened exactly but I got in touch with the author (probably thru email or on tdpri) and have become friends with him. He's really nice.

thru him, I arranged to visit Wayne in April 2010. I took this picture while I was there at his shop. (actually, I took a ton of pictures).

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_En-9Zy8jJW8/S76aPa3sLwI/AAAAAAAACns/taatfjU3Xck/s512/IMG_4822.JPG

I understand that Wayne's shop can be like grand central station and that Wayne gets much of his work done in the middle of the night. but the day I visited nobody was there, it was just me, Wayne and Harrol all day.

I'll never forget it. :D

Fred
02-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Pardon my cynicism...but I think the "Clapton's Guitar" thing was a catchy title to help sell a book. (Yes, it was a good read, no question.) But I seriously question whether Clapton wanted the guitar or ordered it. As I recall, the book ends with it being delivered to a roadie or something, who showed no particular interest in it. Unless my memory is as bad as my playing.....

arie
02-21-2011, 01:31 PM
i like wayne's playing though. he's really good

devellis
02-21-2011, 01:32 PM
I think it's true that Clapton heard about Henderson guitars and wanted to get one. I think it's also true that there's no evidence of its having made it to the top of Clapton's preferred list. I'd be curious if anyone knows of any public appearances of Clapton with his Henderson.

enalnitram
02-21-2011, 01:47 PM
Pardon my cynicism...but I think the "Clapton's Guitar" thing was a catchy title to help sell a book. (Yes, it was a good read, no question.) But I seriously question whether Clapton wanted the guitar or ordered it. As I recall, the book ends with it being delivered to a roadie or something, who showed no particular interest in it. Unless my memory is as bad as my playing.....

The story is all true. Clapton visited a studio owned by a friend of Wayne, Tim Duffy. Clapton played his Henderson and loved it. There is audio of Eric playing the guitar and talking about it. I've linked it below. He's clearly blown away by it. Later, someone contacted Tim, and offered to buy the guitar that Clapton had played and liked, for $100,000. Tim sold it and gave the money to charity.

it took Wayne a very long time to get around to building it, so Eric apparently lost interest by that point. Eric clearly tells Tim on the audio that he wants one, and he wants one just like his.

Just watch. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36udapkeICI

NewMartinFan
02-21-2011, 02:04 PM
Apparently, the author is frequently asked what Clapton thinks of the guitar. St. John writes in the book that he will provide this info on his website if he ever hears anything. To-date...nothing. But Clapton is a busy guy who lives in a mansion and still has to rent a storage building to house all of his guitars. In Clapton's autobiography, he writes that he owns so many guitars that he forgets what he owns and has purchased multiples of many of them. So the fact that he hasn't called Wayne personally to provide feedback...I'm not sure how much that means.

Also, the guitar was dropped off in London with Lee Dickson, Clapton's long-time guitar tech. Dickson is a roadie in the same way that Leon Penetta was a White House aide.

Sain't
02-21-2011, 03:17 PM
i like wayne's playing though. he's really good

Yes, I think many people don't realize that Wayne is an incredible and highly respected guitar player.

Michael

Howard Klepper
02-21-2011, 03:47 PM
The story is all true. Clapton visited a studio owned by a friend of Wayne, Tim Duffy. Clapton played his Henderson and loved it. There is audio of Eric playing the guitar and talking about it. I've linked it below. He's clearly blown away by it. Later, someone contacted Tim, and offered to buy the guitar that Clapton had played and liked, for $100,000. Tim sold it and gave the money to charity.

it took Wayne a very long time to get around to building it, so Eric apparently lost interest by that point. Eric clearly tells Tim on the audio that he wants one, and he wants one just like his.

Just watch. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36udapkeICI

This was discussed a bunch on the UMGF a few years ago. People debated whether EC's conversation with Tim Duffy constituted an order for a guitar. Apparently there was never any followup to it by EC or anyone acting on his behalf.

http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/66509

murrmac123
02-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Yes, I think many people don't realize that Wayne is an incredible and highly respected guitar player.

Michael

I think there are very few people who are unaware of Wayne Henderson's talents as a guitar player, as well as his luthieristic talents.

enalnitram
02-21-2011, 04:13 PM
This was discussed a bunch on the UMGF a few years ago. People debated whether EC's conversation with Tim Duffy constituted an order for a guitar. Apparently there was never any followup to it by EC or anyone acting on his behalf.

http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/66509

The whole thing was so unlike any other builder/client relationship or situation, but then, so are Clapton and Henderson. There was no order. There was no payment. "Order" is the wrong word to use in this context. Eric told Tim that he'd love to get one. So, Wayne got him one. I don't really see how it is a matter for debate.

In Fred's post above, he questions whether or not Eric wanted one. It sure sounded like he wanted one, to me.

crwheat@sbcglob
02-21-2011, 04:56 PM
After reading the book in December 09, I sent the author a note telling him how much I enjoyed it. We exchanged a couple of emails, and I asked if he or Wayne ever received any feedback from Clapton regarding the guitar. Neither had heard anything at that point. And, as posted earlier in this thread, Mr St John told me he would post something on his website if and when they did. Heck, I'd just like to know if EC ever played it.

Fred
02-21-2011, 05:20 PM
Martin, thanks for the video link. I don't think it proves much, but I'll take Wayne Henderson's word. It does seem peculiar that nothing was ever heard again....

Truman
02-21-2011, 05:21 PM
Pardon my cynicism...but I think the "Clapton's Guitar" thing was a catchy title to help sell a book. (Yes, it was a good read, no question.) But I seriously question whether Clapton wanted the guitar or ordered it. As I recall, the book ends with it being delivered to a roadie or something, who showed no particular interest in it. Unless my memory is as bad as my playing.....

Yeah, my take exactly except that Clapton did say he liked a Henderson which he had played as was discussed previously. I enjoyed the book but found the ending to be very anti-climatic in that it was hard to deliver the guitar - and the grand delivery consisted of chasing down a guitar tech to off load it. Enjoyable read and a bit of a stretch in the title is my tought on it.

I'm kind of amused by the resulting stampede it caused for a Henderson guitar. I personally would have no interest in badgering a person to build a guitar for me over many years.

Bruce Sexauer
02-21-2011, 07:59 PM
My take is that it was neither ordered, nor delivered. I built a guitar for a pro musician when I was a young man when they had merely expressed appreciation. Further, I delivered it AND I was paid for it, but it didn't take me long to realize that the "customer" was as long on social skills as I was short on them, and it has become one of the most embarrassing retrospective moments in my life. At least no one wrote a book.

Howard Klepper
02-21-2011, 08:49 PM
The whole thing was so unlike any other builder/client relationship or situation, but then, so are Clapton and Henderson. There was no order. There was no payment. "Order" is the wrong word to use in this context. Eric told Tim that he'd love to get one. So, Wayne got him one. I don't really see how it is a matter for debate.

In Fred's post above, he questions whether or not Eric wanted one. It sure sounded like he wanted one, to me.

The facts of Eric's conversation with Tim are available on a recording, which is on the You Tube link. I agree there is no room for debating what was said, or that Wayne built one for him.

The debate is about whether Eric thought that by saying, "Sure, I'd love to have one," in this conversation with Tim, who showed Eric a guitar and asked, "Would you like to have one like it?", he had commissioned a guitar to be built. Eric's actions later may shed some light on that question.

RP
02-21-2011, 09:06 PM
I think there are very few people who are unaware of Wayne Henderson's talents as a guitar player, as well as his luthieristic talents.

I was surprised when I saw Wayne perform about five feet away from my seat that what sounds like flatpicking is actually fingerstyle...


WAYNE HENDERSON’S GUITAR STYLE

Origins and Influences

Wayne Henderson uses a thumbpick and two fingerpicks to play the guitar
in a clean, driving, melodic style. Like most fingerstyle players, he can play in the
alternating-thumb style most popularly associated with Merle Travis and Chet
Atkins (in which the thumb bounces between bass strings to provide the bass
and rhythm, while the fingers play the melody). He also uses the thumbpick,
augmented with his right index finger, to play very strong rhythm guitar
accompaniment for singers and instrumentalists.

However, what really distinguishes Wayne from other fingerpickers is his
ability to play the melodies of fiddle, old-time, and popular tunes by alternately
striking down with his thumb and up with his index finger. Using this technique,
he can play bluegrass and old-time tunes in the style of flatpickers Clarence
White, Tony Rice, Dan Crary, Don Reno and others. While some players notable
for their flatpicking prowess, such as Doc Watson and Norman Blake, can put
down their flatpicks and also skillfully play fingerstyle tunes, Wayne is able to use
both styles within a single tune. And his using fingerpicks to play fiddle tunes
isn’t just a novelty—he does it well enough to have won the annual guitar contest
at the Old Fiddlers Convention in Galax, VA more than a dozen times. He has
also taken home the Best Overall Performer prize at Galax at least twice.

wilstev
02-21-2011, 09:22 PM
Didn't read the book, don't know or care if Eric Clapton has a Henderson, and I certainly do not see myself calling a builder for years begging for my guitar to be built.

BT Bob
02-23-2011, 10:55 AM
I have 2 albums by Wayne:

"Made & Played" & Rugby Guitar". Both are fine examples of Henderson's ability as a player.

I also have the book - I have to say, I enjoyed it.

Sadly, I don't have a WH guitar, although I'm hoping to be in North Carolina in July. On the map, it doesn't look too far to Rugby, so maybe we'll take a trip up there & try to meet the man. Best take a pie, I think....

Gypsyblue
04-22-2011, 11:17 PM
So the jury is still out on whether Clapton loved the guitar or not. Some say there's a TV show they've seen with Clapton playing the Henderson OM. You know, Clapton owns some spectacular acoustic guitars - a Pre WWII Martin OM-45 for example. I can sure see him playing some of his other treasures more often than a brand new Henderson. Especially since Clapton endorses Martin.

Now me? Shoot if I owned a Henderson that's probably all you'd ever hear see me playing or hear me bragging up. :) I did call Wayne a few years ago and did get on the list. With this darned NH Lymphoma coming back every year or so, I doubt I'll live long enough to ever get it though! ;)

BTW, there's a video on Youtube (Wayne Henderson 1) where he talks about the celebrities he's built guitars for. He mentions Tommy Emmanuel and says that Tommy might be the best guitarist he's ever heard. High praise as Wayne is one of the best pickers on the planet his own bad self.

Fsgeek
04-22-2011, 11:36 PM
Love the book:)

airguitarro
04-23-2011, 01:45 AM
I have spoken to Henderson and I found him to be as genuine a person as I think one is liable to find. He wears celebrity very lightly and seems to care little if anything at all for the trappings of fame. Being a stupendously good guitarist is only the start of his gifts, as he was already well known as a guitar repairman and luthier long before that book was written, and the long list for his guitars was already very long before the wider world sat down to read that book. It definitely enhanced his popularity though!

I don't think it particularly matters whether Clapton liked the guitar or not, as the guitar was made by Henderson for publicity in order to sell its twin for charity. That is admirable and one thing that the book shows clearly is how generous Henderson is in the way he sells his guitars for charity or makes one for a young kid in preference to any number of people who would be able to pay much more.

Fatstrat
04-23-2011, 05:29 AM
I watched several video's of Henderson guitars. Sure are brite sounding. He might have Taylor beat.

Kitchen Guitars
04-23-2011, 06:21 AM
The Henderson has never ended up on a Clapton Charity auction. So, either he likes it or its buried too deep in the pile. I'd love to photograph that collection!
I never made it through the book.

tadmania
04-23-2011, 07:13 AM
Our species' fixation with celebrity is powerful. Left alone to rule our thoughts, it doesn't do a person much good.

So, Mr. Clapton liked the guitar, said so, and Mr Henderson was pestered (very amiably, it appears) by Mr St John to make it for Mr Clapton. The result:

Mr St John writes a book to profit from the experience, Mr Henderson enjoys increased recognition from the book and makes yet another nice guitar, and Mr Clapton goes on being as he was, already profitable and quite well recognized.

The effect of celebrity unopposed by more measured thinking: One guy likes some wood and steel that another guy made into a guitar, so a third guy sets about helping to make it happen. Then thousands upon thousands of people unrelated to the events, other than by audience, think they know something about it, and much of that thought misses the point entirely.

It's a good story, these are good people, its a good guitar. But, it's not that big a deal to folks who put celebrity where it belongs in the mature mind.

Fatstrat
04-23-2011, 07:21 AM
Our species' fixation with celebrity is powerful. Left alone to rule our thoughts, it doesn't do a person much good.

So, Mr. Clapton liked the guitar, said so, and Mr Henderson was pestered (very amiably, it appears) by Mr St John to make it for Mr Clapton. The result:

Mr St John writes a book to profit from the experience, Mr Henderson enjoys increased recognition from the book and makes yet another nice guitar, and Mr Clapton goes on being as he was, already profitable and quite well recognized.

The effect of celebrity unopposed by more measured thinking: One guy likes some wood and steel that another guy made into a guitar, so a third guy sets about helping to make it happen. Then thousands upon thousands of people unrelated to the events, other than by audience, think they know something about it, and much of that thought misses the point entirely.

It's a good story, these are good people, its a good guitar. But, it's not that big a deal to folks who put celebrity where it belongs in the mature mind.

IMO it's hard to tell how sincere Clapton was in saying he liked the guitar. How many of us have had someone hand us their "less than our idea" of a good guitar. Yet we politely told them we liked it.
It would seem to me that if Clapton wanted a Henderson guitar, HE would've asked to have it built.

tadmania
04-23-2011, 10:22 AM
IMO it's hard to tell how sincere Clapton was in saying he liked the guitar. How many of us have had someone hand us their "less than our idea" of a good guitar. Yet we politely told them we liked it.
It would seem to me that if Clapton wanted a Henderson guitar, HE would've asked to have it built.

Other than caring about Eric and Wayne as people, who cares how much he likes it? There are lots and lots of guitars, and even more people. Henderson and Clapton are no more or less important than any, and certainly not worth discounting the value of our friends.

Eric and Wayne seem like fine guys. Let's be glad they are so very talented and willing to share with the world.... and with each other.

Gypsyblue
04-23-2011, 10:34 AM
Other than caring about Eric and Wayne as people, who cares how much he likes it? There are lots and lots of guitars, and even more people. Henderson and Clapton are no more or less important than any, and certainly not worth discounting the value of our friends.

Eric and Wayne seem like fine guys. Let's be glad they are so very talented and willing to share with the world.... and with each other.

I care. If Doc Watson or Tommy Emmanuel ordered a guitar from Wayne (which they did) I'd be curious to know how they liked it.

(Shoot, if the neighbor next door ordered one and got it last week I'd care - I'd be curious if he or she thought it lived up to their expectations. What the heck's wrong with that? Nothing.)

But if a respected virtuoso guitarist with GREAT TASTE in guitars, like Clapton, ordered one and loved it that'd be really nice to know. Especially since I'm somewhere on Wayne's list for one of his OM's myself.

GB

tadmania
04-23-2011, 02:06 PM
I care. If Doc Watson or Tommy Emmanuel ordered a guitar from Wayne (which they did) I'd be curious to know how they liked it.

(Shoot, if the neighbor next door ordered one and got it last week I'd care - I'd be curious if he or she thought it lived up to their expectations. What the heck's wrong with that? Nothing.)

But if a respected virtuoso guitarist with GREAT TASTE in guitars, like Clapton, ordered one and loved it that'd be really nice to know. Especially since I'm somewhere on Wayne's list for one of his OM's myself.

GB

I hear you. It is a thrill to talk fine instruments with great players. For my part, I will be as thrilled to know about your experience as I have been to sit with some of my heroes and trade stories (and guitars) as friends. On the positive side of the whole deal, it can be fun. But, if given a choice between warming my soul via either the bright lights of stardom or a campfire with friends (however accomplished or famous they may be), you may call me Smoky.