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abobby
11-06-2010, 07:46 AM
I am getting ready to purchase. It is between 2 models Bedell TB-28-G or
a Martin D16RGT.
Does anyone have any thoughts on which one?
Thanks

PastorSteve
11-06-2010, 08:50 AM
I've never heard of Bedell so I can't (and wouldn't anyway) advise. I believe you need to play both and buy the one that fits your needs best. Even if one is head-and-shoulders above the other, in someone's view, your needs, wants and desires for a guitar have to be met for you to be happy. Let us know what you decide. Welcome to the group.

jlwoodall
11-06-2010, 09:17 AM
I'm getting a bedell next week and will be posting a review shortly after. Maybe it will be of some help. Mine will be the 18 and not the 28 though.

Jon

ErikH
11-06-2010, 09:44 AM
With the price being in the same range I would tend to lean towards purchasing an American made Guitar. The Martin will also retain it's resale value much better than the imported Chinese made Bedell. Good luck though, having such choices to make is always a fun process!

PastorSteve
11-06-2010, 09:49 AM
After trying to get some information on Bedell, I agree that the Martin is going to be a better decision for long-term and likely short-term value as well. Bedell doesn't give much information on their site and they haven't (it appears) been making guitars since 1964 either.

bojisrx
11-06-2010, 02:20 PM
IF YOU are going to buy a bedell. BY THE WAY! i was there beginning luthier... THey are all built in china... The martin is a better built guitar... But if you want a bedell the best sounding one by far is the TB-24-G cedar top way more bass and power....

Tunes
11-06-2010, 02:31 PM
yep go for the Martin. 127 of guitar design and maufacture. you cant really go wrong.

Jeff M
11-06-2010, 02:45 PM
I'd take a good Martin over a bad Bedell.
Or a good Bedell over a bad Martin.
If both are good...take the one that you think sounds and plays best when you try them out. Same if both are bad.

If buying "blind"......

.Chinese guitar builder of the month whom I've never heard of vs. a company that has built over 1 million guitars, been building for 175 years, and is the "archetype" Steel String guitar manufacturer.

Hmmmm.

I think I'd go with the Martin.

*Merlin*
11-06-2010, 03:24 PM
I just got a secondhand D-16RGT and I love it. I'm sure they make some good guitars in China. I have an Alvarez that was made in China and I like the way it sounds. I had it set up and bone nut\saddle put on it. Nice guitar but when I wanted to upgrade I went with a Martin.

deja
11-06-2010, 03:37 PM
Since I know a little more about Bedell today than I did a few days ago (Google is a wonderful thing), I'll chime in. First, Bedell is not what it appears to be in my estimation. They don't necessarily misrepresent themselves on their website or in their ads, but if the information you have is based solely from visiting the Bedell website, you could easily get the impression that they've been around since 1964 and that their guitars are American made, neither of which is true. Second, This says nothing of course about the quality of their guitars but it does say something about the company. With Martin and many other guitar manufacturers, what you see is what you get. I would stick with the what you see is what you get brands.

Side Man
11-06-2010, 04:11 PM
\With Martin and many other guitar manufacturers, what you see is what you get. I would stick with the what you see is what you get brands.

What deja said... give Bedell credit for spending tons of cash in an attempt to buy some credibility but then again, they had tons of cash to get their guitar business going (google will I'm sure enlighten you further).;)

Jeff M
11-06-2010, 04:34 PM
What deja said... give Bedell credit for spending tons of cash in an attempt to buy some credibility but then again, they had tons of cash to get their guitar business going (google will I'm sure enlighten you further).;)

That's one way to earn years of reputation. Buy it !!

Placida
11-06-2010, 08:53 PM
I am getting ready to purchase. It is between 2 models Bedell TB-28-G or
a Martin D16RGT.
Does anyone have any thoughts on which one?

Slide on over to the Unofficial Bedell Guitar Forum and inquire ..... :D

Tony Burns
11-06-2010, 09:18 PM
one simple word " Martin"

epaul
11-06-2010, 09:30 PM
I can't believe the two guitars are anywhere near the same price. I know what Martin 16s cost. The Bedall should be half.

epaul
11-06-2010, 09:41 PM
Whoops, you never said the cost was equal. If it is, something is really wrong somewhere.

Both can make nice music. Neither will hold you back. It all depends on your budget.

marvin gardens
11-06-2010, 09:46 PM
Martin.....I've got a 16GT, great guitar. Martin.

Cibby
11-06-2010, 10:13 PM
I am getting ready to purchase. It is between 2 models Bedell TB-28-G or
a Martin D16RGT.
Does anyone have any thoughts on which one?
Thanks

I bought the same Bedell you are looking at sent it back bad neck set. I called Bedell something I don't normally do they were very nice. They put me through to a guitar tech which was interesting. They sent me another Bedell TB28G guess what same problem couldn't do a good set up on it neck was not set right..Sent it back got a refund...You will be happy with the Martin D16RGT easy to set up if it needs it,easy to get saddle upgrades if you want and it will sound awesome like about every Martin I've played..cibby

JJO
11-07-2010, 08:32 AM
... First, Bedell is not what it appears to be in my estimation. They don't necessarily misrepresent themselves on their website or in their ads, but if the information you have is based solely from visiting the Bedell website, you could easily get the impression that they've been around since 1964 and that their guitars are American made, neither of which is true. ...

This bugs me about Bedell as well. As you say, it doesn't have any direct bearing on the quality of the product. I've got both cheap and midrange Chinese-made guitars that I love (Recording King and Eastman), so it's not the fact of their being made in China that bugs me, it's the faux-authenticity of the branding and the way it conflicts with the reality of the company.

I haven't had a chance to play a Bedell, so maybe they're great or excellent bargains or unique in some way. But the way the guitars are being marketed just kind of rubs me the wrong way.

OPATRIOT
11-07-2010, 10:33 AM
Gday Friend .... I have owned both .. " apples & oranges " .... Martin had That fat martin sound , great Americona sound with bass dominance , fit and finish was great ... Bedell had a rich sound with a good bass but more of a modern flare to it ... sorta like modern worship music type sound ... The day I purchased the Bedell I spent three hours in the acoustic room A&B ing guitars ... Five Martins three Bedells .... No prejudices ..... All the Martins except One - Laurence Juber model - sounded dead , not alive , no richness ..... and two of the the Bedells where dead , not alive , no richness ... Except one ... Was alive in my hands , deep rich sound , a modern sound , fit and finish was great .... so that day she won the contest ... The more guitars I play the more I am convinced that every guitar is different ... some are alive and some are dead ... Martins,Gibson,Bedell etc. ... If it sounds good buy it ....

epaul
11-07-2010, 12:10 PM
A Martin with dead strings equals a dead Martin.

A Bedall with fresh strings equals a lively Bedall.

Not saying a particular Bedall might not sound better to someone (or even lots of someones) than a particular Martin.

But, if guitar A has coated strings, and the guitar next to it, guitar B, has uncoated strings, uncoated strings that have been played by a couple hundred different hands, some washed, some not, over the last week (as it is a guitar lots of folks like to take off the wall and handle), guitar A will sound better than guitar B to most ears most of the time, regardless of price or brand.

Bedalls fit a dealer need. One of my local dealers just picked up the line, as he got into a spiff with Saga and either tossed or lost his Blueridge line. The handcrafted by hippies marketing ploy is deceptive and dumb, but, so it goes.

And the way it is going, I expect that my local John Deere dealer will be offering John Deere guitars by this spring, right next to the John Deere motor oil and the John Deere lawn rakes and grease guns. Nothing strums like a Deere.

chitz
11-07-2010, 12:29 PM
Every time I get around a d16rgt, people are smiling. :)

SpruceTop
11-07-2010, 02:36 PM
This bugs me about Bedell as well. As you say, it doesn't have any direct bearing on the quality of the product. I've got both cheap and midrange Chinese-made guitars that I love (Recording King and Eastman), so it's not the fact of their being made in China that bugs me, it's the faux-authenticity of the branding and the way it conflicts with the reality of the company.

I haven't had a chance to play a Bedell, so maybe they're great or excellent bargains or unique in some way. But the way the guitars are being marketed just kind of rubs me the wrong way.

I think what's real about Bedell Guitars is that Brian Bedell, in 1964, at 14-years-of-age, built his own guitar, and this is the basis of the 1964 beginnings of Bedell Guitars. What he did in the interim 45 years, from 1964 to 2009, when I first saw the new Bedell Guitars ads in magazines, is unknown to me. The guitars are built overseas and should be equated with Blueridge and Recording King rather than U.S.A.-made Martin guitars. I've never played a Bedell guitar but if they sound as good as the better Blueridge models that I've played, then they're probably decent-sounding guitars. If I can, however, get a Larrivee -03 Series, all-solid-wood, Made in Canada guitar, or a Martin, American-made guitar, for a bit more cash, I'd go for the Made in North America-brand guitar.

Regards,

SpruceTop

deja
11-07-2010, 03:28 PM
What he did in the interim 45 years, from 1964 to 2009, when I first saw the new Bedell Guitars ads in magazines, is unknown to me.

Tom Bedell took over his father's fishing tackle business in 1979 - Berkley/Trilene - and recently sold it for $500 million. Here's the first paragraph of an article on Bedell from the trade journal, entrepreneur.com (below). The full article is only available via Google cached link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Il-3J0b4wMMJ:www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/209476255.html+bedell,+guitars,+entrepreneur&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In 1967, at 17, Tom Bedell loaded a car with samples and headed north to Chicago to unveil the Bedell Guitar Company at the NAMM show. As the youngest exhibitor there (possibly even the youngest of all time), working out of a cramped hotel room exhibit at the Conrad Hilton, he didn't exactly inspire confidence, and the response to his guitars was less than overwhelming. However, recalling the experience today brings a smile to his face, and he reflects, "It was a lot of fun while it lasted." Four decades later, after working as a political consultant and then transforming Pure Fishing Inc. into a $500 million (sales) manufacturer of fishing tackle, his career has come full circle with the revival of the Bedell brand of acoustic guitars. This time around, though, he's marshalling ample financial resources and proven marketing and managerial skills to ensure that his brand makes a more lasting impact. With a distinctive line of acoustics that covers all major price points, backed by a high-impact consumer advertising campaign and an independent-friendly MAP policy, Bedell is confident that his company will quickly "earn its way into the market."

If you're interested in other links featuring this "talented entrepreneur" just put the following words into Google - bedell, guitars, entrepreneur - and you can make your own judgments as to Bedell's authenticity. I will say that it's remarkable what money can buy.

Note: the above quoted 191 word paragraph falls within Fair Use.

kromekrush
01-26-2013, 08:57 PM
For what it's worth I have a Martin GPCPA4 Rosewood and a Bedell MBCE-24F-G.

Yes, the Bedell is made in China but I do believe it's a well made guitar. They have been around for long enough that any kinks are well worked out. Also they are QC'd by Breedlove guitars so they have come a long way. I'm lucky enough to make my living in as a session guitarist and it has performed beautifully as both a fingerstyle instrument as a strummer. The Bedell sounds absolutely beautiful with a lot of warmth and wood in the tone. It has solid rosewood back and sides and a solid cedar top with a 1 3/4 inch nut width. I have used it next to players using guitars costing twice as much and it held it's own with no problem. (A few people were actually kind of pissed that they paid what they did for theirs when the Bedell is available now.) I have a K&K pickup in the Bedell and it's a stunner. I absolutely love it!

The Martin is a Martin and sounds like one. Personally I think that's the biggest difference. This guitar has solid rosewood back and sides and a solid spruce top with a 1 3/4 inch nut width as well. This guitar sounds lovely as well but once again, it sounds like a Martin and the truth is, only a Martin sounds like a Martin. My only complaint is the lack of finish on the Martin and once again, Martin has decided to use Fishman for the electronics and I really dislike Fishman thus I ripped it out and had a LR Baggs element active put in.

Both of these guitars are within 300 dollars of one another and I believe them both to be well worth the price.

Long of the short of it... The Martin is a very distinct sound so if you want the Martin sound ya gotta go with the Martin guitar. Having said that, please don't be discouraged with the Bedell. I believe they stand up to Martin and Taylor with no problem. (And personally i like the way my Bedell sounds over any taylor I've played.)

If pushed, I'd give up my Martin before I gave up my Bedell. (But I'd still piss, moan and cry about it.) Hope that helps.

Guitar Hack
01-26-2013, 09:08 PM
I have played several Bedell guitars they are fine guitars. Are they as good as a Martin? I can't answer that. Will they hold their value like a Martin? Not likely. I had the opportunity to meet Tom Bedell at a local guitar store. Nice guy. I understand that Bedell and Breedlove have now merged. I do like the sound of Bedells. I don't own one because I am building my own guitars.

lone eskimo
01-26-2013, 09:37 PM
Reading the title alone made me laugh to myself.. kinda like Mercedes or Kia... Yes, you're gonna find a Bedell model that may sound better to you than a certain Martin model but there's more things under the hood that you may not see at first.. Martin has 175+ years of experience building guitars- including models that revolutionized the guitar making industry. Some of the greatest artists of Rock, Folk, Bluegrass, Pop etc.. have used their guitars. The Beatles, Joni Mitchell, Michael Hedges, Jimmy Page, Norman Blake, Neil Young, Elvis, Hank Williams, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Coldplay, Willie Nelson, Jim Croce.... Who plays a Bedell?......

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong- perhaps one day Bedell will be the brand everyone wants- kinda like Taylor is now. I don't see it though. Bob Taylor was a young upstart with great creative innovations that created an iconic American company.. Bedell seems more interested in spending money on creating some sort of faux illusion of an American company that's made in China and who's history and backround are murky.

I have a Martin DC-16RGTE that is so good that it's put my old D-28 into semi-retirement.. I come at this with 35 years experience playing live- touring, recording etc...

Best of luck either way!

Mike:)

ukejon
01-26-2013, 09:38 PM
Doesn't matter what her name is, you just gotta go hold her in your arms and see if she sings to you.....

akafloyd
01-26-2013, 10:23 PM
Get the Martin

kerbie
01-27-2013, 06:36 AM
That's a no-brainer for me... buy the Martin.

I have a played a Bedell several times and found it to be a nice guitar. But, as others have noted, they are made in China. I don't think you're going to find many Bedells that can be serious competition for Martins. Nothing wrong with them, but they aren't Martins.