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john bange
10-30-2010, 10:28 AM
Martin 000C-16SGTNE on Ebay(no affiliation)...if you want a nylon string guitar and do not want a 2" wide nut, this one looks like a beauty. 17/8 nut, radiusd fretboard, huge sound!,with or without the Fishman p/u. I have one and have not heard another crossover guitar that sounds better for folk, pop, Irish, blues, etc.... seems like a good price...the ebay seller has mis-labled it as 00016-sgtne and listed under acoustic-electric only...thats how to look it up

vpolineni
10-30-2010, 11:36 AM
I was hoping no one would notice... (fat chance!). After months of searching I I found what I'm going after. wish me luck!

Play2PraiseHim
10-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Best wishes. Keep us posted.

vpolineni
10-30-2010, 05:06 PM
thanks.. especially to you as we exchanged a bunch of pm's about different crossovers. I think in the end this is the one I should go for and if for some reason it didn't work out the martin name will help with a potential resale though I think it'll be a keeper-the long scale length is really appealing.

john bange
10-30-2010, 05:24 PM
good luck from me too...when you get it, I would like to know what strings you settle on. I keep coming back to normal tension EJ-45's
daddario's on mine.

Play2PraiseHim
10-30-2010, 05:32 PM
Though I've never played one myself, I have heard nothing but positive remarks about these Martin crossovers.

vpolineni
10-30-2010, 05:53 PM
good luck from me too...when you get it, I would like to know what strings you settle on. I keep coming back to normal tension EJ-45's
daddario's on mine.

on the umgf the savarez 520r strings are highly thought of for this guitar. I believe martin000 uses them. Maybe he'll chime in...

Turp
10-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the info, I've been looking to :evilgrin:. But I don't know if I'll battle a fellow AGF'r. BTW If I get one, I'm selling my NS42ce

osweetmelody
10-30-2010, 11:00 PM
Can anyone share more info about these Martin Nylons? How do they stack up to the Taylor NS series? I've been trying to "Read up" on the NS models for a while now, but i'm getting the impression that Taylor nylons don't even stack up?


I'm not familiar with Martins, and the naming system is confusing me.

Martin 000C-16SGTNE

000 is the Auditorium size, right? 12/14 Fret. C for cutout.
What does 16SGTNE stand for?

I hate to give up the Taylor playability... but would like a nice nylon for Pop music.

vpolineni
10-31-2010, 07:12 AM
Thanks for the info, I've been looking to :evilgrin:. But I don't know if I'll battle a fellow AGF'r. BTW If I get one, I'm selling my NS42ce

I call dibs! :guitar:

osweetmelody,

I don't think you can say martin is better than taylor or vice-versa. I think the only thing that can be said about both is they're not "real" classical guitars. If I didn't have my heart set on a martin I'd be looking at the Taylor NS52CE that was just listed at buffalo brothers. Both of these guitars are cedar top/mahogany back and sides as well as 12-fret with cutaways. If you're comfortable with taylors I'd say go for that but I've never owned one but have read about the nylons having the same playability as the steel string models.

john bange
10-31-2010, 08:55 AM
S is for slot head, GT is for gloss top, N is for nylon and E is for onboard electronics...I think!

Turp
10-31-2010, 09:15 AM
Can anyone share more info about these Martin Nylons? How do they stack up to the Taylor NS series? I've been trying to "Read up" on the NS models for a while now, but i'm getting the impression that Taylor nylons don't even stack up?


I'm not familiar with Martins, and the naming system is confusing me.

Martin 000C-16SGTNE

000 is the Auditorium size, right? 12/14 Fret. C for cutout.
What does 16SGTNE stand for?

I hate to give up the Taylor playability... but would like a nice nylon for Pop music.

I don't have any personal playing experience but they have a strong following
000 auditorium size, C-cutaway, GT-gloss top, N- nylon, E- electronics.

I call dibs! :guitar:

osweetmelody,

Taylor NS52CE that was just listed at buffalo brothers.
.

Dibs? You got me on that one.

Taylor NS52CE may be another option for me.

My Taylor is not bad. I have played some more expensive classicals, that the Taylor sounded better and more so for a steel string style.

john bange
11-01-2010, 11:05 AM
http://www.truveo.com/search?query=mrjimdeb crazy little thing called love channel:youtube&flv=1HERE IT IS IN ACTION...WELL I guess it doesn't work
you can try jimdebyou tubecrazy little thing called love.
thanks to play2praisehim for this...shows the 000c-16sgtne plugged in

vpolineni
11-01-2010, 04:25 PM
here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrJimdeb#p/search/0/iQnqUK7VdA8

that kind of took me by surprise... not what I expected at all but I'm sure that has to do with his playing and the song. When I think of a nylon guitar this comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYXBFTgEHHk&feature=related
that hits the nail on the head for me. I'm sure the martin could pull that off. (and for a bit more "spanish sound")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WOBdALSyBc

Play2PraiseHim
11-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I know these have a longer scale so those who prefer lowered tunings favor this model.

musictag
11-03-2010, 08:31 PM
YIKES! 26.44 inches! That is a really long scale for a nylon string. Good luck with your bidding, vpolineni. I think I'd dislocate a finger trying to play that guitar. ;)

Turp
11-04-2010, 01:19 PM
Well.....did you win it? It went for a reasonable price it seems.

vpolineni
11-04-2010, 02:49 PM
it was not me... back to the drawing board I guess.

Turp
11-04-2010, 08:27 PM
Sorry to hear that and I hope it works out.

Play2PraiseHim
11-04-2010, 08:35 PM
The right guitar will come along at the right time.

martin000
11-07-2010, 10:38 PM
Hello there,

I have a Martin 000C-SGTNE which is a 000 body size with slothead with gloss top and nylon and onboard electronics.

I use the Savarez 520 R's although the D'Addario EXP high tensions are pretty good as well. It is simply a fun guitar to play.

I have played NS24 and NS32 and they have nice bass but get that plastic sound up high and seem to have little resonance. I think they are fine plugged in but not unplugged.

The thing that got me was the mahogany/cedar with the long scale. I love long scale because I play a lot of barre chords up the fret board. I will not own a guitar a I cannot play a D or E barre chord on the fretboard.

So, it is a great guitar....and I do not know who bought it. A few guys on umgf were bidding I know....but no pics yet....

If I see one anywhere I will pass on the word here....I missed one at Atlas Music that was still in the box! For real....wanted 1449.....

Keep playing!

martin000

osweetmelody
11-09-2010, 12:22 PM
Any Martin 000c-16STGNE owners out there,

Can you share experiences, and especially thoughts about the scale length (especially for people with smaller hands?)

john bange
11-09-2010, 02:13 PM
as an owner of one of these guitars, it puzzles me as to all the questions about scale length and difficulty to fret. I have had too many guitars to count over 50 years of playing and cannot remember a more forgiving, easy to play, and enjoyable instrument.
Fret action is soft as butter with either normal or high tension strings. when my hands get tired from a lot of rehersal, the guitar I pick up is my 000c-16sgtne.
I have owned a Martin 0018G, a 00028C, a number of Guilds, Goya's, a Nylon string Ovation and many Spanish and Asian guitars over the years and my SGTNE takes a back seat to none of them.
The string spacing and the radius on the fret board & saddle were the only things I needed a few hours to get used to.
If you can find one of these or the rosewood version at a reasonable price, BUY IT! you won't be sorry.
The one listed on this thread really went cheap!...I have very small hands

martin000
11-09-2010, 05:51 PM
Ditto everything John said.

I have owned:
Aria Classical
Dauphin Classical
La Patrie Classical
Asian Made Classicals (2 or 3)
Washburn Classical
Cort Steel String
Fender Steel String
Aria Auditorium Steel String
Fender Telecaster
Seagull S12E

And the 000C-16SGTNE is the fastest neck and easiest neck of all to play hands down......that is why it is so popular....it is so easy to play and sounds so incredibly awesome.....and that is why Martin should make them again.....they are twice the guitar any Taylor NS is (no offense intended).

So buy one! I missed a 000C-16SRNE for $900 and am still kicking myself terribly!

martin000

Play2PraiseHim
11-10-2010, 06:04 AM
One of the reasons for the questioning is that Martin didn't make them for that long. Couple that with the fact that they make their nylon strings in much smaller numbers compared to the steel strings, and it makes for a guitar that few have had the opportunity to experience.

Obviously they didn't sell in as great a number as Martin wanted and the decision was made to discontinue the line. It is a niche market and I think this model is sorely missed. I think it was ahead of its time. There seems to be a growing market for the crossover. Hopefully Martin will take notice and bring it back or maybe they are working on a new crossover. In the meantime, perhaps one can be ordered through their custom shop.

Turp
11-10-2010, 06:13 AM
I think it was ahead of its time. There seems to be a growing market for the crossover. Hopefully Martin will take notice and bring it back or maybe they are working on a new crossover.

It is a growing market. I wish they'd bring it back.

de_Genova
01-31-2011, 06:07 AM
S is for slot head, GT is for gloss top, N is for nylon and E is for onboard electronics...I think!


I have yet to find a chart that has these kinds of definitions that you posted here - and believe me I have seen them all.

Could you please tell me - is there a chart for Martin # and code letter designations? Not serial #'s but the codes they use such as:
The DBRE means its a deep body rosewood electric
SGTNE (as you say) S is for slot head, GT is for gloss top, N is for nylon and E is for onboard electronics.

What about 000C-16SRNE??? is that slot, rosewood, nylon, onboard electric?

Thank you...............

EDIT......I found the 'chart' I was looking for here. It describes all of the modern # letter designations for Martins...........
https://store.bluebookinc.com/instantaccess/Model.aspx?product=0&id=944

AND here..... http://www.guitar-list.com/martin/acoustic-guitars/martin-000c-15e

AND here .....Breakdown of bracing types for Martin models.

http://m2w.net/wiki/index.php/00C-16DB

john bange
01-31-2011, 08:27 AM
the 000c-16srne is the rosewood version of my 000c-16sgtne. it has a different body binding...more white in color and a white heel cap whereas mine is rosewood.