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min7b5
04-13-2009, 05:34 PM
So has anyone ever used or owned one of these guys? After a lot of thought I finally went into a local music store today, cash in hand, to buy the Soloamp. Right next to it they had this http://www.sr-amps.com/jam150.html on a speaker stand. An amp Iíve never heard of, whoa.

Since I was considering the Soloamp for live miking of my guitar, the guy was nice enough to set up a Rode NT5 condenser mic on a stand and let me use a few nice Martins to try both amps out.

I left with neither, but Iím going back tomorrow with my mic and own guitar and Iím coming home with one. I thought they both were great.

They were exactly the same price, and both worked great with the mic. Nice, big, full detailed sound. The Soloamp was ever so slightly more boxy sounding in the lower mids... The reverb on the AR was pretty darn nice. It also looked and felt more like a high end amp. I like the size, the wood... it also has two channels with phantom... I guess Iím kinda leaning towards this SR... I donít know.... Itís got just about everything Iíve ever wanted in an acoustic amp... but Iíve never heard of it before..

Fran Guidry
04-13-2009, 06:33 PM
The Soloamp attempts to do something different than a conventional amp. It uses (some degree or sort of) line array technology to change the dispersion pattern, thereby filling the room more evenly with sound.

So you might want to try listening to both systems from some distance while someone else plays.

Fran

kramster
04-13-2009, 08:09 PM
SR's are pretty much Schertlers (I tried to get on over at the Acoustic Guitar Forum to post when I saw your post over there)

min7b5
04-13-2009, 08:36 PM
So you might want to try listening to both systems from some distance while someone else plays.
Fran

Thanks Fran. I did have the sales guy play into the mic and I stoop back various distances. It was pretty close. Iím looking forward t trying again tomorrow with my guitar and mic.

AR's are pretty much Schertlers ..

Are they related as a company? I did notice it looked a lot like a Schertler. But a close friend of mine has a Unico, and I like it a lot, but this thing sounded better to me. Certainly much nicer reverb. Iím not crazy about the Schertlerís springs. On the other hand I don;t usually use reverb so maybe thatís moot...

kramster
04-13-2009, 08:50 PM
Seems I read read something about the 2 companies a while back...

playhardandloud
04-14-2009, 12:49 AM
hey just wanted to let you know that i too heard they make schertler amps. i just sold my schertler unico and bought the bob brozman/sr technology reso 400. i should have it in about 5 days. ive heard it sounds way better than the bose or the fishman. i have had both and the fishman does not put out the volume that the bose does. i played with the fishman last thursday while waiting for my brozman. anyhow the fishman sounded boxy. in fact i like the schertler unico, the aer domino, the bose l1/l2, and the aer compact 60 better than the fishman. i will try to post a review of the sr reso acoustic when i get it. bob brozman has been fantastic to work with and i think he is a bit of a guitar player. just kidding he is absolutely incredible and super cool too. if you buy it directly from his site they are 1750. it looks like a total pa system in one box. for a gigging musician it looks like heaven. we shall see.

min7b5
04-14-2009, 08:34 AM
...just sold my schertler unico and bought the bob brozman/sr technology reso 400. i should have it in about 5 days. ive heard it sounds way better than the bose or the fishman. i have had both and the fishman does not put out the volume that the bose does. i played with the fishman last thursday while waiting for my brozman. anyhow the fishman sounded boxy. in fact i like the schertler unico, the aer domino, the bose l1/l2, and the aer compact 60 better than the fishman....


Congrats on the reso 400. That looks like a pretty amazing rig:up: I noticed that on Bobís site a while ago and just put it together yesterday that thatís where Iíd seen SR before.

I think for me, that might be too much in terms of size, and probably money too. I also really need something to put on a stand. Most of my gigs are smaller things for under a hundred people, house concerts, etc, where often I could probably not use amplification at all...

I was very impressed with the soloamp and the SR Jam 150. Both are probably louder than I need. Since I only use a mic, thereís kind of ceiling on loud I can be anyway. I would disagree a little that the Fishman sounds boxy per say. I thought compared to the SR the lows were slightly boxy, but I thought both sounded pretty darn good. And I ran both 100% flat. I guess a lot depends on the guitar, mic, room too. Iíve had several AERís, sometimes run at the same time... and I personally thought the Fishman sounded a lot better -but again it depends on what youíre doing with it. I don't think miking the guitar is the Compact 60ís strong suit, but itís a heck of an amp with some pickups....

playhardandloud
04-14-2009, 09:19 AM
yes each application is different. i have played several house parties with the schertler and the aer and i thought the schertler was better for that. i am a singer strummer with pickups. i played an irish pub last thursday with the fishman and as much as i wanted to love it because of the ease of setup i just didnt. but i just switched from having the schertler as a monitor pointing directly at me, eaw powered speakers, etc, to the fishman solo. i want something that weighs 25 lbs to sound like a dave matthews show. aint gonna happen:). anyhow im hoping the reso at 50lbs comes somewhere close. i will be using the compact 60 as a monitor so it should be pretty good. now if i only had more talent. oh well its all good fun. oh im going to put a stand mount on my reso. it will be a bit scary drilling into it but should work out nicely. for small house parties the compact 60, for larger ones the reso, for small pubs the reso behind on a stand, and for large pubs and outdoor stuff the reso with aer monitor. i have had about every pa imaginable in the quest for small vs amazing sound.

bayoubengal
04-28-2009, 06:27 PM
Hey Folks--

I have the Brozman system and describe my experiences in this thread:

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152672

You may find it helpful.

playhardandloud
05-06-2009, 11:21 PM
i got the brozman unit and it is quite honestly amazing. it is a bose killer and fishman isnt even in the same zip code. you will not believe your ears. i actually pole mounted mine. i cut down an ultimate stand and added a cup to the brozman. i have played indoor outdoor to crowds of 100 or so and it is just amazing. i bought a compact 60 to use as a monitor but havent needed it yet. i set the brozman which i call uncle bob behind me off to the side. it doesnt feed back even at volume and sounds far better than anything in one box. i have had the bose system model 1 and 2, the fishman solo, and larger very high end systems. the daedalus at 90lbs each, the eaw powered nt 29s, etc. i have owned the aer compact 60, domino, and the schertler unico. this unit is by far the best most versatile and portable unit of them all. contact bob at his site he is a great guy. it is half the cost of the bose. it would be a bit cooler if it had a pole mount, and the mixer portion on the back side instead of the top. then you could fly it higher and still tweak the sound a bit easier. im short. if anyone is in the tampa area i am playing obriens irish pub tomorrow night with it. you are welcome to join or solo or whatever makes you smile.

kramster
05-07-2009, 07:18 PM
You are teasing me with this amp you know... It is really half the bucks of a Bose?? I thought it was closer than that... Pics of your set up??

playhardandloud
05-08-2009, 04:32 AM
i bought the bose model 2 with double bass and tone match for about 3200. the reso is about 1750 and there is no comparison. just amazing. its like daedalus meets bose. yes you read that right. its like daedalus meets bose. one box full pa system. tonight at a busy irish pub there was gear on the sides of the stage. qsc 15 inch speakers in the air left over from the band who played cinco de mayo. i asked the owner what he though of my new sound system. he said it looked like a lot to carry but sounded phenomenal. he thought i was playing through the qsc speakers. his jaw dropped when i told him it was the one box sitting slightly behind me. he got out of his chair and had to see for himself. i am very serious about high quality sound and this is the real deal. if bob brozman designed it you can be sure it is quality. earlier today i played through the new bose compact. cute unit but really. you cannot play anything other than a coffee shop with it. it is the bose answer to the fishman solo. I will try to post pics. Im playing a pool party on saturday afternoon. It is incredible.
You are teasing me with this amp you know... It is really half the bucks of a Boooose?? I thought it was closer than that... Pics of your set up??

kramster
05-08-2009, 01:09 PM
I thought "Uncle Bob" was more than that... nice.... true if I figure my Classic, 2 bass modules (one in the box NEVER opened for 2 yrs now) and the T1.... nice. Wish I could hear and try one. You get me all going about this amp as I could always use a good uncle.
Was that Daedulus meets Bose??
Pool party pics please, and get some of the amp!

Also with that much power it must have that "concert feel" presence even at low volume.... not sure how to describe that sound/feel sorry.

bayoubengal
05-08-2009, 01:12 PM
I have to second playhardandloud on the Reso Acoustic 400. I've had one since September and have been really pleased withe results. I've had sound guys in different venues oohing and aahing over it.

I know a lot of people who love the Bose and Fishman as well. Cool. We are really lucky to be living in a time where so many advances have been made in acoustic amplification! We've got a great array of choices, don't we?

kramster
05-08-2009, 01:22 PM
That good for you too bayoubengal??
Should be good for keys and such too I suppose....

dcopper
05-08-2009, 01:55 PM
The Reso-Acoustic is getting great endorsements here. I looked at it on the website and I think we all would like a one box solution to playing in just about any venue. When the BOSE first came out, I ditched the racks, the power amps, speaker stands, and all the cables. I have never looked back. Now with the BOSE compact, I was looking to lighten the load. The Brozman looks like another option, even if at 50 lbs, it is just 1 thing to carry.

My question to everyone is what is wattage anymore? The Brozman is 400 watts/ the GB Compac300 is 300 watts/ new Acoustic Image Cabrio at 800 watts/SoloAmp at 200 watts, etc., BOSE at 750 watts with 2 subs...
It seems to me that you need the power to keep the high, clean headroom. You want a lot of power available for different venues, power enough to drive the bass frequencies, etc. AND,
To me, you also need to have good sound dispersion. The array systems and pseudo array systems like BOSE and the SoloAmp are designed to fit the bill in spreading out the sound.

So, for anyone who has experience with the Brozman, does it accomplish both with such a small speaker box? I am not skeptical at all that it could or does, but it seems like we almost all agree that you either need a single source array type system or multiple sound sources like a classic PA setup. I played the Schertler Unico and the quality and fidelity of the sound was amazing. My problem with it was that it could not get me what the BOSE does, filling the room with sound, since it was a single source. I would have to add a powered cab, which kind of defeats the purpose of a 1 box soultion.
Does the added wattage (from 185 watts Unico to 400 watts Brozman) make any difference in sound dispersion?
Sorry if this is somewhat rambling,
davidc

playhardandloud
05-08-2009, 02:24 PM
wouldnt it be even better if the mixer portion was mounted vertically on the back so that you could put it on a speaker stand and still easily access it? it was very difficult for me to drill into the beautiful cabinet but i must say it worked out just fantastic. looks factory of course. between sets i turned it up with ipod and it sounded ridiculous. take care guys.
I have to second playhardandloud on the Reso Acoustic 400. I've had one since September and have been really pleased withe results. I've had sound guys in different venues oohing and aahing over it.

I know a lot of people who love the Bose and Fishman as well. Cool. We are really lucky to be living in a time where so many advances have been made in acoustic amplification! We've got a great array of choices, don't we?

playhardandloud
05-08-2009, 02:30 PM
hey david the reso with its two 8s and horn tweeter and 400 watts make it sound like the unico on steroids. the acoustic tone is there but the volume with quality is simply amazing. you can actually feel the low frequencies coming from the cabinets port. i believe sr manufactures the unico. i let someone sit in last night and i walked the pub and heard breathtaking sound everywhere. so clear and open sounding. i think for really loud venues i will be putting it out front on regular speaker stand and using my compact 60 as a monitor. you will love this thing. i loved the bose but this is an entirely different level. you know wattage is a funny thing. i have heard 30 watt amps that absolutely blow away amps rated at 500 watts. the pass labs comes to mind. it is the quality of the power i believe that makes the difference. i have never seen actual wattage numbers on the bose. i didnt think the ever released them. i can tell you this the bose doesnt have nearly the headroom or power that the brozman does. this stuff is fun.
The Reso-Acoustic is getting great endorsements here. I looked at it on the website and I think we all would like a one box solution to playing in just about any venue. When the BOSE first came out, I ditched the racks, the power amps, speaker stands, and all the cables. I have never looked back. Now with the BOSE compact, I was looking to lighten the load. The Brozman looks like another option, even if at 50 lbs, it is just 1 thing to carry.

My question to everyone is what is wattage anymore? The Brozman is 400 watts/ the GB Compac300 is 300 watts/ new Acoustic Image Cabrio at 800 watts/SoloAmp at 200 watts, etc., BOSE at 750 watts with 2 subs...
It seems to me that you need the power to keep the high, clean headroom. You want a lot of power available for different venues, power enough to drive the bass frequencies, etc. AND,
To me, you also need to have good sound dispersion. The array systems and pseudo array systems like BOSE and the SoloAmp are designed to fit the bill in spreading out the sound.

So, for anyone who has experience with the Brozman, does it accomplish both with such a small speaker box? I am not skeptical at all that it could or does, but it seems like we almost all agree that you either need a single source array type system or multiple sound sources like a classic PA setup. I played the Schertler Unico and the quality and fidelity of the sound was amazing. My problem with it was that it could not get me what the BOSE does, filling the room with sound, since it was a single source. I would have to add a powered cab, which kind of defeats the purpose of a 1 box soultion.
Does the added wattage (from 185 watts Unico to 400 watts Brozman) make any difference in sound dispersion?
Sorry if this is somewhat rambling,
davidc

wierdOne
05-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Sorry if this is somewhat rambling,
davidc



you're not rambling... you're asking real questions... that i'd like to know the answer to.

I play in a REALLY busy restaurant, and the room REQUIRES that my amplifier be able to throw the sound in a wide dispersal pattern.

I'd like to know more about the Brozman...

on a side note...

EVERY graphic I ever see showing sound dispersion always has an amplifier on a stage, pointing out into an arena/amphitheater type crowd. 90% of the gigs that any of us actually play are in restaurants/clubs.. most without a stage... with a wall of people we have to somehow get our sound over... (usually done by angling an amp up at the ceiling..)

i'd like to see amp companies address these needs... at least in their graphical representations of the audio dispersion.

kramster
05-08-2009, 03:01 PM
And a pic of the stand thing you put on the bottom....I am so demanding I know....
It is a pain having the controls on top like on my Unico... always somethin'.

bayoubengal
05-08-2009, 05:28 PM
Hey to all--

Here are two links to some videos of a show where I used the RA 400. Keep in mind that these are just off the little mics on the small digital camera so it doesn't do the sound of the system justice, but it gives you an idea of what's going on. This was an outdoor show and I had the Master Volume at around 4. When I went back about 40 yards when the other performers played, I could hear everything very clearly. If we would have "gone to 11", the Austin police probably would have been summoned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY0k6GBDI14


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXFxwDft24&feature=related

kramster
05-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Cool thanks.... seems like it is very clear

dcopper
05-09-2009, 08:02 AM
bayoubengal,
Thanks for the clips. Even the mics on the video cam show how nice and clear the tone is. I see you are using an M1 on your dread. Easy set up and very nice clean sound. The Reso is now on the A-list to check out.
davidc

kramster
05-09-2009, 11:39 AM
+1 A-list.

playhardandloud
05-09-2009, 11:57 AM
hey guys i will send a photo of my current setup. i am playing a pool party this evening and will have the reso with me. you are not going to believe how this unit sounds and works. it is designed with acoustic guitar in mind by one of the better guitarists on the planet i suppose. one of the channels works best for the national but the others are for acoustic. i might try to give you guys a link to the owners manual if you like. it gives a much better idea of what it is than anything i have found on the net. its a shame there is not better marketing for this thing. if they had the bose marketing engine everyone would have one. how do i put the pdf file in this post or someplace where everyone can get it? maybe i should become a dealer.

bayoubengal
05-09-2009, 08:17 PM
Hey Folks--

I'm glad the videos at least gave you an idea of how nice it sounds.

Here is the link to Bob's site about the system:

http://www.bobbrozman.com/ra400.html

I also don't know how to attach the manual in a pdf file, but if anyone wants to send me a pm with their email address I'll be happy to get it to them.

Playhard...looking forward to the pics from the pool party.Rock on!

dcopper
05-11-2009, 09:11 AM
Waiting for the pics Playhard...
I emailed Bob B. this morning with some questions.
davidc

bayoubengal
05-11-2009, 01:09 PM
Hey Folks--

In responding to a pm request from David I was able to find a link to the user manual, so I thought I would put up the link here:

http://www.bobbrozman.com/ra400usermanual.pdf

Enjoy!

jlott00
05-11-2009, 06:28 PM
im also patiently awaiting pics,

im wondering if i could use this in a full band setting as my monitor for my guitar and vocals, seems like it would work.

playhardandloud
05-11-2009, 09:10 PM
definitely but you will have to turn this monster down. its like having a full pa in a box. bad ###
im also patiently awaiting pics,

im wondering if i could use this in a full band setting as my monitor for my guitar and vocals, seems like it would work.