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moga
08-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I got the membership for the sports club..
and swam about 5 days straight. and wondered which one is more effective exercise to burn the carlories and fat..

swimming has one edge..No sweat!.

anyone?~..

The Dude
08-18-2008, 10:36 AM
Actually, you do sweat quite a bit when swimming but you just don't realize it. Swimming is great exercise and many people prefer it because it is a non-impact activity, whereas running sometimes leads to leg injuries. In my experience (I was a competitive triathlete years ago), running is more effective in terms of getting the most bang for your buck, but swimming isn't bad, either. One problem with swimming for many people is that poor technique often leads quickly to fatigue. We all learn how to run with correct form (well, most of us :lol:), but most people never learn good swimming technique unless they swim competitively. Hope this helps.

lossforgain
08-18-2008, 10:38 AM
I HATE running. I LOVE swimming. There you go. ;)

fitness1
08-18-2008, 10:50 AM
on my way out the door, but in short, you cardio vascular system is impacted by the movement of your extremeties in either case......as long as your heart rate is in it's training zone, it doesn't matter what you are doing from an effectiveness standpoint. That said, the impact of running certainly has it's downside in the feet, ankles, knees, hips (and even low back), whereas swimming is only impacting the shoulders in most cases.
Also, I wouldn't reccomend doing anything for 5 days straight (the same activity) Give yourself a day off, one day (at least) of strength training (performed PROPERLY.....if you don't know, ask someone QUALIFIED)

moga
08-18-2008, 11:32 AM
on my way out the door, but in short, you cardio vascular system is impacted by the movement of your extremeties in either case......as long as your heart rate is in it's training zone, it doesn't matter what you are doing from an effectiveness standpoint. That said, the impact of running certainly has it's downside in the feet, ankles, knees, hips (and even low back), whereas swimming is only impacting the shoulders in most cases.
Also, I wouldn't reccomend doing anything for 5 days straight (the same activity) Give yourself a day off, one day (at least) of strength training (performed PROPERLY.....if you don't know, ask someone QUALIFIED)

thanks..guys..and Thanks "FITNESS"..

I just realized your nick name "FITNESS"..just right person to ask..

YummyPork
08-18-2008, 12:06 PM
I recall an article in Bicycling magazine several years back where they talked about a study that compared running, cycling and swimming for their effectiveness at weight loss.

IIRC, the women who cycled lost the most weight on average, runners lost the second most and swimmers actually gained weight. I don't recall if they discussed if it was muscle mass or fat that was gained. I think there was some speculation about the heat loss from swimming that caused the body to react and put on pounds...

Well, that was a moderately useless post. I figured I had no hope of finding the article so I did my best. Which type of exercise is best for the memory?

deltoid
08-18-2008, 12:16 PM
Looking at the Olympic swimmers and runners, I would say the runners are much more lean and trim. That doesn't mean it's the better excersise in the long run, as others mentioned, running can wear on the body.
As for swimming actually causing weight gain, I've heard this as well. Presumably, the cold water encourages the body to pack on some fat for insulation.

I prefer biking, it's fun so I'm more apt to do it. Less impact than running.

PorkPieGuy
08-18-2008, 12:42 PM
I like to swim. If you can swim a mile, you can jog a mile pretty easily. However, if you can jog a mile, this doesn't necessarily mean that you can swim a mile. At my best, I weighed in at about 265 and was swimming about 5 miles a week. I could swim 2 miles without stopping. Runners would come in and be ready to puke after about 4 laps.

Swimming is great. No noise - just bubbles. Tones your muscles all over. Great for weight loss. 0 impact. You don't have to be social to swim. No iPods to mess with (unless you get one of those gadgets that lets you swim with electronic gear). No traffic. No treadmills. No expensive running shoes, just a set of trunks, some decent goggles, and a gym membership.

RareBird
08-18-2008, 12:52 PM
If you can run, then run. I am too heavy and running has always been unpleasant. I power walk for an hour after my weight lifting and then go in the pool to finish off. When I'm really on a roll, I swim 40 laps too and it does make a difference in slimming me down. It does however damage my hair which at 53, I want to keep as much of as possible. It bleaches out the color, seems to make it cottony and thinning. I stopped swimming to gain a rebound a few months back and indeed it looks more healthy and full. No hair problems? Swim it up.

The Dude
08-18-2008, 02:26 PM
Swimming can give you a little weight gain as your upper body muscles tone up, but you will not gain signifcant amounts of weight or muscle mass like you would by lifting lots of weights. If you can keep swimming and lose some body fat, the muscle tone will probably be quite attractive to most people.

Andromeda
08-18-2008, 02:45 PM
I have to either swim of bike fore exercize. I have such a weak right ankle it will buckle and twist even if I look at it wrong. Even walking to the car can be an anxiety provoking experience. If my weight gets off balance on that right ankle just by a tiny fraction it will twist. So it is biking for me mostly and in my wife's family indoor pool along with a stair stepper and stationary bike in the winter.

Ovaltitan
08-18-2008, 02:47 PM
My running technique is so bad, I mash up my ankles just trying to warm up. I swim like a fish, though. Couldn't run 100 yards to save my life.

Egaging the large muscles in the legs burns way more calories than engaging the smaller muscles in the arms. So for burning calories, the best exercise uses more leg which is why cycling is great for burning calories and avoiding the impact associated with running.

If they ever come up with a biathalon event of just swimming and cycling, I'd be in seniors competition for sure.

fitness1
08-18-2008, 02:54 PM
the original poster hasn't specified WHAT his goal is. My initial post was directed at increased cardio vascular endurance. As far as swimming making you gain weight, I'd have to qualify that with "is the heart rate in the same spot as when biking, running etc. If it is, it would take a LOT of data to convince me it's true. I "hear" a lot of things after being in the fitness field for almost 25 years, most of it isn't substantiated by folks with credentials of any kind, if it is, many times it's because they are being paid to attach their name to a given product.
What it boils down to is, if your goal is reduction of body fat, increased musculo-skeletal strength, and cardio-vascular endurance and flexibility (and these SHOULD be your goals, by the way) Then a balanced routine of cardio, strength and flexibility exercise should be your mode.
A lot of folks don't realize this, but after age 35 or so, if you don't do resistance training, you will lose about 1/2 lb of muscle mass per year.
Every pound of muscle mass lost equals about 100 calories a day OFF your basal metabolism. Obviously the reverse is also true. A 170 lb male can gain 4-5 lbs of muscle in about 2 months if untrained previously, and training CORRECTLY. That adds 500 calories each day, times 7 days a week.....3500 calories that you weren't burning previously. Mix this with 3-5 days of moderate cardio vascular exercise and you can see where the weight will drop pretty quickly if the diet is in line.....that's a whole other story.
If you have any specific questions.....feel free to ask.

fitness1
08-18-2008, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE=Ovaltitan;1574349]

Egaging the large muscles in the legs burns way more calories than engaging the smaller muscles in the arms. QUOTE]


In theory that's true, but if you are running at a 5.5 mph pace and your heart rate is only about 120, but swimming at even 3/4 the spead of Mr Phelps, and your heart rate is 140, which exercise is burning more calories??

One more thing I want to mention....LEARN how to take and calculate your Target Heart Rate....simple way is 220 minus your age, then multiply that number by .70 and .85. Training low to mid in your THR burns a higher PERCENTAGE of calories from fat, (about 60/40) as you move towards the 85% bracket, it "flip/flops".... more like 40 fat, 60 carbs (which is a 'quicker' fuel) So while you are burning more overall calories, the amount of fat you are burning is staying about the same or going down.

Training too hard increases the incidence of injury, normally doesn't allow for as long of a training session, and leaves you more fatigued in the hours/days to follow. Unless you are training for competition in a specific event, there is no need to train in the 80-85% region.

moga
08-18-2008, 04:05 PM
My goal is get in shape..I used to weight 165lbs 10 years ago...and now i am close to 190lbs..
I just worry about my health because my family has high blood pressure problem..

i decided to join the club and run but i have some problem with my knees..and i've heard swimming wouldn't bother the joint and knees much as running..~


the muscle tone will probably be quite attractive to most people.

my speedo pants easily can get them turn away and leave.. :D

PaulData
08-18-2008, 05:36 PM
One aspect not discussed above is deep water aqua aerobics, which is my specialty. (I taught a program at Manhattan's West Side YMCA for several years.) My class is based on Pilates, Yoga, Feldenkrais Method, Dance and Floor Barre, Martial Arts, and more. In a nutshell, I'd say that you get many of the benefits of running and swimming, but with much less stress on the skeleton; and upper back and shoulders in the case of lap swimming. The method is entirely 'heads up', and friendly to all ages, including those with fairly severe spinal, knee, and other orthopedic issues.
Aqua aerobics has been keeping me going for over 10 years, with (at least) 6 severely herniated lumbar discs, and also extensive osteo arthritis. I currently weigh under 160 lbs @ 5'9". 10 years ago I weighed 210...
I should mention that these classes vary dramatically from teacher to teacher, so one really has to try out several to find a good fit.

Guitarpix
08-18-2008, 05:52 PM
I have constant access to a pool but seldom use it. I love to swim but it kills my finger caluses! They're always tender when playing afterwards. I choose to run then get home and pick comfortably:)

Rejoice Music
08-19-2008, 12:00 PM
I swam a mile a day for several years, and then decided to quit due to chlorine exposure. It can really do damage to your hair and skin, even with a speedo cap. It did keep me in shape though.

After that I did step aerobics, which I loved but required a gym membership, which I later had to give up. I tried doing this at home with a Reebok step and videos, but got bored with it, so it wasn't effective for me long-term.

Running is hard on your leg/joints, but very brisk walking is much easier on them (I carry 2-lb hand wieghts). This and cycling have become my choice for regular exercise. Outdoors (at the beach when possible!) during fair weather, treadmill when it's raining.

Am also thinking about doing some dance/exercise classes this year through our parks dept. for exercise and fun.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do! Just trying to keep moving instead of being sedentary is a good rule of thumb, even if it is only house or yard work. ;)

Will Kirk
08-19-2008, 12:03 PM
Swimming hands down. You're working nearly every muscle in your body except your brain :D

PorkPieGuy
08-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Swimming hands down. You're working nearly every muscle in your body except your brain :D

Unless you are a new swimmer trying to figure out rotary breathing.

moga
08-19-2008, 12:54 PM
Unless you are a new swimmer trying to figure out rotary breathing.

hey when i am swimming, i always think about scales..and scales..blues, penthatonic, etc..:)

RareBird
08-19-2008, 12:55 PM
Swimming hands down. You're working nearly every muscle in your body except your brain :D



I've had a few breakthroughs in my thinking while swimming. The only thing that interferes is counting laps if and when that is necessary. Otherwise, it's a good place to exercise your mind because you feel weightless and not locked in to gravity and perhaps the minor aches and such related. The mind is freed.

PaulData
08-19-2008, 09:01 PM
I love to swim but it kills my finger caluses! They're always tender when playing afterwards.
Ditto for my nails... I never play after the pool, always before, or the next day.
Chlorine is also an issue; after about a year teaching aqua aerobics classes at the YMCA in NYC, I noticed none of the aquatics staff (including myself) had any body hair left... :eek:

moga
08-20-2008, 10:29 AM
Ditto for my nails... I never play after the pool, always before, or the next day.
Chlorine is also an issue; after about a year teaching aqua aerobics classes at the YMCA in NYC, I noticed none of the aquatics staff (including myself) had any body hair left... :eek:

darn is that mean i am going bold (yeah i am going but slowly..)fast?~

jimd
08-20-2008, 11:22 AM
If they ever come up with a biathalon event of just swimming and cycling, I'd be in seniors competition for sure.

Ovaltitan, They do have these events. They are usually called aquabikes. My wife does triathlons and sometimes the organizers also hold an aquabike as well. They are not as popular as the tri or the duathlon (bike-run) but they are out there. Look for them as part of a larger triathlon.

As far as run vs. bike. Do what you like best. You will stick to your routine if you like it.

kerrinsdad
08-20-2008, 11:34 AM
As far as run vs. bike. Do what you like best. You will stick to your routine if you like it.

That's the key, at least for me. Do what motivates you. My Ipod, my dog and a soccer ball go with me every day on my run. They encourage me to keep moving..My knees hurt sometimes as well as my feet, but unlike swimming it keeps me in "soccer Shape" swimming is great, but does'nt do the trick for my needs. Best of luck.......

QuadFather
08-20-2008, 01:38 PM
Chlorine is also an issue; after about a year teaching aqua aerobics classes at the YMCA in NYC, I noticed none of the aquatics staff (including myself) had any body hair left... :eek:

ummm... less body hair in my case might be a good thing. The only place I don't have hair is on my head! :roll::roll:

HIPCHIP
08-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Weight loss occurs when you burn more calories than you consume, so a good nutrition plan is a must. Go see your doc and get started healthy.

The larger the muscle group used, the more calories burned, so your legs burn more than your arms, so running, in general, will burn more calories.

In the pool, the water supports your body weight, so if you get tired and slow you will not expend as much energy, so it is harder to lose weight just swimming.

If you haven't exercised in awhile, and have put on about 30 lbs, your body is not going to be used to the stresses put on it, so you will be susceptible to injury, so take it easy. If you do get a strain, etc, have it evaluated. You can ice it for 20 min on, 40 min off, and don't take aspirin, etc.

Your best bet is to cross train. Do different activities so the stresses on the body are changing. See if the gym has a personal trainer and have them set you up. Remember, you just need to keep your heart-rate up to get an aerobic benefit, so it doesn't matter if it's running, swimming, biking, shooting hoops, etc. Your body has voluntary muscles, involuntary muscles, and cardiac muscles, so getting your heart-rate up works the cardiac muscle, and doing physical activity uses the voluntary muscles (there is crossover), so as long as you are doing activity you are burning calories.

If you do walk, run, etc, make sure you have good shoes designed to fit your feet. Don't just run down to the local sporting good store, try and find a running store that can evaluate your foot and stride.

The main thing, have fun!

moga
12-22-2008, 10:16 AM
after 3 months of swimming and weight training, I didn't loose that much weight as you guys says..at least twice a week(or three times a week).

an hour exercise. 20min weight training, 30min swimming , 10 min light walking..

but body tone definately changed..

189 lbs when i first started..down to 182lbs(for some point).

now 185lbs with muscle around..

oh..one thing that i lost a lot..(my hair.....yeah..).

mishmannah
12-22-2008, 12:37 PM
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